Daniel Carr ?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by schepys_coins, Jan 17, 2019.

  1. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Because that's where the overwhelming majority of counterfeit products across all industries are originating from
     
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  3. robec

    robec Junior Member

    The race card has nothing to do with how people view DC and Chinese fakes. It just so happens the origin of these foreign fakes using base metal come from a country populated by the Chinese. If these fakes were coming from England instead of China there would be just as much of an uproar. No need to bring in trigger words like race into the conversation.
     
  4. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    The Chinese are worthy of scorn, and I am not taking up for them; however, it is hypocritical to attack one operation overseas while praising or ignoring domestic ones.
     
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  5. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    Fair enough, but there is still hypocrisy even if racism and the ethnic identity of the producers is not an issue. That's the point. If someone in the U.S. can produce off date pieces then I don't see how pieces made by other producers using fictitious dates are any more dangerous to the hobby.

    Changing the date alone, particularly to one that is very close to the period when the pieces were struck, is concerning to be because it could be construed as a trial strike, pattern, etc., for novices who even pay attention to the date. There are new discoveries all of the time, and this hobby is full of pieces struck by the Mint that shouldn't technically exist.
     
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  6. robec

    robec Junior Member

    Sorry I'll take an overstrike on an authentic Peace, Morgan, Large Cent, etc any day over a counterfeit struck or cast in base metal.
     
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  7. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    Without examining in hand, it is impossible to conclude in many cases what the source of the planchet is.
     
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  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    This has always baffled me, why some folks don't see that @dcarr has worked on occasion very closely with the US Mint. The continual repetitive accusations that he is flying under the radar is just not true, Dan is very well known.

    Some of his color toned pieces are spectacular.
    I was able to pick these up at the "Worlds Fair of Money" here in Denver 2017
    These are concept dollars meant to be used as the Golden Dollar.
    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page17a.html

    Betsy Coleman with out "Peace" IMG_0003.JPG IMG_0004.JPG Apollo Astronaut Proof like thin IMG_0001.JPG IMG_0002.JPG

    Link to the mintages for the concept dollars.

    http://www.moonlightmint.com/dc-coin_dollars_list.htm

    I also figured I would show the first coin my son bought.
    It looks like Dan probably carried this one around for a while.
    This one doesn't seem to be in the mintage figures.
    It is a thin Brass but looks to be a satin finish, could be the circulation. IMG_3899.JPG IMG_3900.JPG
     
  9. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    @Pickin and Grinin
    The pieces you posted are not controversial. I'm glad you posted them to keep the discussion balanced. The over strikes are only a single facet of his business and the only one to elicit criticism that I have seen.
     
  10. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    There is an easy solution to all of this.
    Those that do not like Mr. Carrs stuff ... sue him in court, not public opinion.

    Just be careful. If you lose you may have to pay his lawyer bills.
     
  11. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    You had me on your side to a point until you posted this.
     
  12. robec

    robec Junior Member

    I would be extremely surprised if any of the Chinese imports were overstruck using authentic Peace or Morgan dollars or any other host coin using an authentic coin depicted by the strike. This includes Indian and Lincoln small cents, Classic large cents, Mercury dime, Roosevelt dime and others.
     
  13. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    My favorite Carr design 85DE49C9-EB77-4F0A-9C17-5BE91670F190.jpeg
     
  14. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    I don't have an issue with Chinese fantasy dates. Some of them are actually quite humorous. My problem is the fakes with a date issued by the US mint that are meant to deceive novice collectors and they are getting better at it.
     
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  15. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    At least you're consistent.
     
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The post wasn't made to keep anything in balance, the post was made to let everyone know that Dan is very well known around all the social circles that matter and definitely by those who are capable of making a case against him. (win or lose)
    I can only recall one word and I will leave it basic. "Ignore" Because
    the facts are easily seen in this thread along with the other, yet you continue to argue against them.

    These are sold as fantasy pieces, end of conversation, that is until you can prove to the Court of Law that he is guilty. Come back when you have some kind of evidence proving your point. Because as of right this very minute he is an abiding citizen in everybody's eyes except the few that have personal differences and that does include you.
     
  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    What I have been told about this process is that the coins used aren't very easy to locate in most instances. Not to mention the right coins for planchets can get quite pricey.
     
  18. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    And that's the foot in the door for anyone who wants to talk me out of being a Carr fan, I suppose. It bugs me a bit to think of consuming a real coin to produce an overstrike. I know he uses problem coins (cleaned, otherwise damaged) when he can -- but I don't mind problem coins so much, and I'd probably have been happy to have some of those host coins in my collection. So I'm more sensitive to that aspect than most of today's collectors. (Most would say "a problem coin isn't collectable anyway, have at it.")

    Except 1921 Morgans. Everybody can smash as many of those as they want. :rolleyes:
     
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  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    An aside: all this recent discussion sent me off to his site, where I saw that he'd recently done Coiled Hair Stella restrikes. I was sad to have missed that, as I'd love to have a good Stella reproduction to admire. But then I saw that they were restruck on half-eagle ($5) host coins, which means (a) wrong size and weight, (b) wrong composition, and (c) change in face value...

    ...but then I saw that he amended the obverse to state the actual composition, and the reverse to state "100 CENTS + FOUR DOL." So now I'm back to wishing I hadn't missed them. My wallet's relieved, though, so there's that.
     
  20. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    Hey, watch it mister! I happen to like '21 VAMs...:stop::D:p
     
  21. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Hey, we're only making the ones you have more scarce, right?
     
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