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<p>[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1415677, member: 26302"]Two things, counterfeit is both a verb and a noun. You are talking about the verb, I am talking about the noun. </p><p><br /></p><p>My problem under your definition is as long as the people who make them do not sell them as counterfeits, there are no such thing as counterfeits. If you say a person must MAKE a coin and sell it fraudulently, then effectively there are no counterfeits in the US. I am sure most Chinese counterfeiters are not hiding the fact to their buyers. So under your definition none of these coins are counterfeits.</p><p><br /></p><p>I concentrate on the COIN. Is the COIN deceivingly close enough to fool someone. I do not care what intent someone had ten years ago when the coin was first sold. I care about NOW, about the COIN, and is IT a counterfeit. Seller intent does not matter after it has entered commerce. Are you saying a chinese counterfeit we complain about is ok as long as the manufacturer did not sell it as original? Does it really matter, considering the tremendous harm these are doing to our hobby?</p><p><br /></p><p>I am not just talking, I really would like someone to look at my post #176 and tell me where the line between a counterfeit and a fantasy coin is. I am seriously confused.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1415677, member: 26302"]Two things, counterfeit is both a verb and a noun. You are talking about the verb, I am talking about the noun. My problem under your definition is as long as the people who make them do not sell them as counterfeits, there are no such thing as counterfeits. If you say a person must MAKE a coin and sell it fraudulently, then effectively there are no counterfeits in the US. I am sure most Chinese counterfeiters are not hiding the fact to their buyers. So under your definition none of these coins are counterfeits. I concentrate on the COIN. Is the COIN deceivingly close enough to fool someone. I do not care what intent someone had ten years ago when the coin was first sold. I care about NOW, about the COIN, and is IT a counterfeit. Seller intent does not matter after it has entered commerce. Are you saying a chinese counterfeit we complain about is ok as long as the manufacturer did not sell it as original? Does it really matter, considering the tremendous harm these are doing to our hobby? I am not just talking, I really would like someone to look at my post #176 and tell me where the line between a counterfeit and a fantasy coin is. I am seriously confused.[/QUOTE]
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