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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;fatima, post: 1414200, member: 22143&quot;]If we decide to ignore Bechtler&#039;s private minted coins which every modern numismatic description that I have ever seen refers to as a coin, then we have this instead.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>The definition that a coins is not a coin unless issued by the government fails when any kind of test is put to it. Here is a glaring modern example.&nbsp;&nbsp; When the US Justice Department went after Bernard von NotHaus, the 2nd time, for producing the Norfed Liberty Dollar, he was indicted for selling &quot;coins&quot; that competed with US currency.&nbsp; If, as you say, the definition of &quot;coin&quot; is that it must contain a government stamp, then this would not be possible.&nbsp; The Treasury department, the FBI, the Justice Department and the US Mint all defined the Liberty Dollar to be a coin.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is from the FBI.gov concerning the matter.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><i>STATESVILLE, NC—Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted today by a federal jury of making, possessing, and <b>selling his own coins</b>, announced Anne M. Tompkins, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina. Following an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation,...was found guilty by a jury in Statesville, North Carolina, of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins; of issuing, passing, selling, and possessing <b>Liberty Dollar coins</b>;</i> ......&nbsp; Entire article is <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/charlotte/press-releases/2011/defendant-convicted-of-minting-his-own-currency" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.fbi.gov/charlotte/press-releases/2011/defendant-convicted-of-minting-his-own-currency" rel="nofollow">here</a>.&nbsp; </p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Obviously if the US Mint, the US Treasury, the FBI, and the Justice Department did not believe that for coin to be a coin it must come from the government.&nbsp; Else&nbsp; they would not have charged him with &quot;making his own coins&quot;.&nbsp; IMO, the trial was a sham, but it is what it is and it disproves that a coin has to come only from the government since the government certainly doesn&#039;t feel this way about it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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