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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Conder101, post: 1419835, member: 66&quot;]It does look like a later state of N-11 than listed in the second edition.</p><p><br /></p><p>Longnine, a design cud is at the junction of the die field and edge. It may or may not include the rim of the coin A rim cud is at the junction of the top surface of the rim and the neck of the die and does not intrude into the field.&nbsp; The problem is to visualize what the die looks like.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Imagine the die sitting on its base with the die face parallel to the ground.&nbsp; The field of the die forms a flat upper surfaces.&nbsp; Now lets say you are 2 mm tall and you are standing on the die face.&nbsp; Walk over to the edge of the die and look down.&nbsp; A short way down there is another flat horizontal surface.&nbsp; That surface is what forms the flat top surface of the rim of the coin.&nbsp; Lets jump down there.&nbsp; OK now walk over to the edge again and look down.&nbsp; Now what you see is a long drop.&nbsp; That is the neck of the die that fits inside the collar.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now if the edge junction of the field of the die and that vertical drop down to this ledge we are standing on chips away you will have a cud in the field that doesn&#039;t include the rim.&nbsp; If the edge chip is shallow polishing the face of the die could make it disappear.&nbsp; If it chips all the way down here to the ledge it may look on the coin like it includes the rim because there will be no visual division. (That you can&#039;t fix because if you polish the die face that much there won&#039;t be any design left.)&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>If the edge of this ledge and the neck of the die chips away then the coin will have a raised lump on the rim but it won&#039;t affect the field of the die.&nbsp; That is a rim cud.&nbsp; Now if that rim cud isn&#039;t deep you could recut this die so that the distance from the field down to this ledge is a little greater and get rid of the rim cud or at least make it even shallower and weaker.</p><p><br /></p><p>And of course the die could crack and a piece fall out that includes the die face, drop, ledge, neck and maybe even part of the shank or body of the die.&nbsp; In that case you have a full cud and that die is toast.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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