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<p>[QUOTE="beef1020, post: 1417716, member: 24544"]Just to add a little to the discussion, the die can be pulled due to a cud and fixed. For instance, the 1852 large cent N-11 has at least 4 known different die breaks where each one was pulled and repaired, before the end of the marriage life the reverse die broke. Interestingly, none of the late die states with cuds on on the reverse show any of the obverse cuds. I don't think this was common, but they did have the ability to repair cuds.</p><p><br /></p><p>To you question about how much longer it was used, no one knows, but if the die was used for much longer there may be an example where that cud is larger, or there is another cud altogether. There are many famous examples of this in the large cent serious, thinking about 31N12, or other late dates. </p><p><br /></p><p>I have posted a picture I have offhand of a 47 N18 with one large cud and one small cud on the obverse:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH]172364.vB[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The first cud started under the date and runs clockwise up to star 2. The last cud to form is the one by star 4, with this example being the terminal die state. As I said, there is no way to know how many of yours there are, and with the time period there could be quite a few. But for the 47n18 pictured it is one of 19 known. The previous intermediate state, with the large cud from the date to star 2 has only 8 known, and there is only 1 example of the earlier intermediate die state with only a small cud from the date to star 1. </p><p><br /></p><p>I personally love cuds, and there are a handful of collectors out there who collect all cuds. I am pretty sure the large cent late date die and die states have been thoroughly researched, but I don't think many foreign coins have been, it would be an interesting novel area of research.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="beef1020, post: 1417716, member: 24544"]Just to add a little to the discussion, the die can be pulled due to a cud and fixed. For instance, the 1852 large cent N-11 has at least 4 known different die breaks where each one was pulled and repaired, before the end of the marriage life the reverse die broke. Interestingly, none of the late die states with cuds on on the reverse show any of the obverse cuds. I don't think this was common, but they did have the ability to repair cuds. To you question about how much longer it was used, no one knows, but if the die was used for much longer there may be an example where that cud is larger, or there is another cud altogether. There are many famous examples of this in the large cent serious, thinking about 31N12, or other late dates. I have posted a picture I have offhand of a 47 N18 with one large cud and one small cud on the obverse: [ATTACH]172364.vB[/ATTACH] The first cud started under the date and runs clockwise up to star 2. The last cud to form is the one by star 4, with this example being the terminal die state. As I said, there is no way to know how many of yours there are, and with the time period there could be quite a few. But for the 47n18 pictured it is one of 19 known. The previous intermediate state, with the large cud from the date to star 2 has only 8 known, and there is only 1 example of the earlier intermediate die state with only a small cud from the date to star 1. I personally love cuds, and there are a handful of collectors out there who collect all cuds. I am pretty sure the large cent late date die and die states have been thoroughly researched, but I don't think many foreign coins have been, it would be an interesting novel area of research.[/QUOTE]
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