Cucumbor’s 2020 review : my Top 5 ½

akeady · Nov 29, 2020

Great coins, Cucumbor.

I got the bigger half of my Vienna dupondius

ATB.
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Cucumbor · Nov 30, 2020

Chris B said: ↑

All excellent additions. I really like all of the Dombes pieces. They aren't what I specialize in but I still look for them.
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Aaaaah !
I feel less alone, suddenly

Q

Cucumbor · Nov 30, 2020

Curtisimo said: ↑

The half coins are a cool reminder of how denominations were thought of in antiquity and how it differs from the modern conventions (i.e. If I were to cut a dime in half it wouldn’t be worth a nickel).
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It's worth trying IMO

Q

Cucumbor · Nov 30, 2020

dougsmit said: ↑

it would be nice if either (both) of us were to find the other half of our coin.
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It sure would !
I'm in chase now

Q

Cucumbor · Nov 30, 2020

zumbly said: ↑

I don't think I've heard anyone describe one of these Syracuse hippocamp types as "globular" before, but it's appropriate, and somehow also makes the coin sound that much more tasty.
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Not exactly what one would call "globular", but sort of. At list thick enough to feel it in hand

Q

Cucumbor · Nov 30, 2020

akeady said: ↑

I got the bigger half of my Vienna dupondius
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The other guy has been crooked, I think

Q

Pavlos · Nov 30, 2020

That EL stater is great, wonderful style and condition, great year!

David Atherton · Nov 30, 2020

Cucumbor said: ↑

Hi CT folks

2020 hasn’t been a good year in many ways, especially with the Covid pandemic and its millions of victims. Collecting coins may appear very futile in such circumstances. However I feel it’s even more necessary, as it’s a place/time out of the real world, were we can breathe and dream at ease, and escape to all this darkness.

I’ve not bought many coins in 2020 (less than 20), but some of them are very important in my collecting process. As a side note, I’m a roman empire guy, which you won’t find obvious in what follows !

Anyway, here are the 5 ½ that stand out the (small) horde…

6 – Thick roundness (or round thickness…) : a Syracuse bronze

While following an online auction during a very frustrating lockdown #1 last april, I saw that coin, and because I like so much Syracuse coinage, I thought (well, sort of « thought ») it might be a good idea to adding it to my small series. Upon arrival it appeared to be even better than expected with its kind of globular aspect : very thick and with round, soft edges. I find the hippocamp very attractive. All in all, a good surprise, well deserving a room in the top of the year list

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Sicily, Syracuse - Bronze litra, circa 375-344 BCE,
[ΣYPA] Head of Athena left, wearing Corinthian helmet with neck guard,
Hippocamp left
15mm., 6.13g
Ref : Calciati # 34, Sear # 1193

5 – A rare douzain : Dombes, Marie de Montpensier, douzain 1616

Among french royal coinage, the douzain is quite a popular denomination, being abundant, and large enough to allow collectors to having fun at reading legends and finding unrecorded varieties. On the other hand the billon they’re made of isn’t the best metal to strike coins, hence quality isn’t often there.

When it comes to Dombes (yes, you will have to stand Dombes coins this year too ), if douzains are quite numerous for Henri II de Montpensier, they are scarce before him (i.e. Louis II and François II), and become very rare after him. His daughter, Marie de Montpensier has had douzains struck in her name from 1613 to 1620, of which only a total of 15 specimens are known. When that one showed up, I had to have it, my 1613 specimen being very sad, alone in its tray. It was sold as 1616, not quite sure about that, it might well be 1618 all the same, the last digit being cut in half at the edge of the planchet. Anyway, it’s either unique, or the 5th known example.

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Dombes, Marie de Montpensier (1608-1627) - Douzain, billon - 1616
Atelier de Trévoux
+ MARIA • P • DOMBAR • D • MONTIS • P (cœur) Ecu de Bourbon couronné, dans le champ, deux M couronnées
+ DNS • ADIVT • ET • REDEM • MEVS 1616 Croix échancrée cantonnée de couronnes
22 mm - 2,11 gr
Ref : Divo Dombes # 129a

4 – An unusual bust : Trajan Decius, Antioch tetradrachm

That one was the last important purchase this year, and I presented it in a thread not long ago, here. What appealed to me was the unusual bust, with balteus and trabea.

I have since contacted CGB (the french auction house) whose former director was Michel Prieur. They still host and maintain his Syro-Phoenician Tetradrachms database, and confirmed the rarity of the coin which is now #8 of the type

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Roman provincial, Trajan Decius (09/249 – 07 or 08/251) – Billon Tetradrachm, Antioch mint - 7° officina
AYT K Γ ME KY TPAIANOC ΔEKIOC CEB Radiate bust right, cuirassed with trabea on right shoulder, and balteus on chest, seen from front. Z under bust.
ΔHMAPX EΞOYCIAC Eagle standing right on a palm branch, head right holding wreath in beak, and wings spread. At exergue SC
27 mm - 12,35 gr - 6h
Ref : Prieur # 558_08 (2), McAlee # 1140 (very rare)

3 – An attractive portrait of Octavian, but lacking a portrait of Julius Caesar : Vienna half dupondius

That one too has been presented not long ago in a thread here, even though I bought it earlier this year. After the Covid frenzy not allowing a lot of time for writing up, I am now at home for a few weeks and can do some…

As the title suggests, I’ve been drawn to this half coin for its beautiful portrait of Octavian. Moreover, those somewhat crude gaulish coinages (Vienna, Arausio, Lugdunum, Nemausus) have a great symbolic and historical background that I find very attractive.

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Gaul, Julius Caesar & Octavian – Halved dupondius, Vienna (Gaul), ca. 36 BCE
[•IM]P• [DIVI•IVL•CAE]SAR•DIVI•F bare headed portraits [of Julius Caesar to left] and Octavian to right
C•[I•V] Prow of galley to right, surmounted by superstructure and mast (CIV for Colonia Ivlia Viennensis)
31,5 mm – 9,96 gr
Ref : RPC # 517

2 – Where non specialists begin to think you’re nuts : Dombes, Anne Marie Louise de Bourbon, luigino 1665

Anne Marie Louise d'Orléans was Princess of the Dombes principality. She was born to Marie de Montpensier and Gaston d'Orléans in 1627 CE. Her mother passed away soon after her birth, and her father ruled the principality as a regent until her majority. The family was of highest rank, Gaston being king Louis XIII's brother, hence Louis XIV'S uncle.

When Anne Marie Louise issued her famous 5 sols silver coins, aka luigini, they soon became very popular in the Middle East countries, allegedly because they featured an advantadgeous female bust. Many duchies, counties and principalities, especially in Italy followed the trend and flooded the market with copies of various quality and legends. The fact is that very quickly the silver content decreased, to the point where a royal edict lead to a withdrawal of all of them.

The usual, standard, design is the following, with the date in the reverse field, left and right to the ecu :

View attachment 1210131

As written above, you find them by the million. The reference book to them, the « Cammarano », describes a variety with the date at the end of the reverse legend, instead of being in the field.

« What the heck do you care about this, dude ? »

Although it’s been given a R1 rarity rate, I haven’t seen any 1665 of those in 22 years of collecting other than in public collections . In the middle of june, leaving home for work around 7 AM, I got an alert for new items from a dealer. Needless to say I jumped on it (litterally) even considering its poor preservation, knowing I might have to wait decades before I see another. And now I have plenty of time to upgrade if necessary

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Dombes, Anne Marie Louise d'Orleans (1650-1693) - Douzième d'écu, argent - 1665
Atelier de Trévoux
AN •MA • LVD • PRINC • SVP • DOMBA, Buste drapé de 3/4 à droite
(Rose) DNS (trèfle) ADIVTOR • A • ET • RED MEVS 1665, Ecu d'Orléans couronné.
20 mm - 2.23 gr
Ref : Divo Dombes # 232, Camarano # 46

1 – In the end, the sun rises ….. Bosporan kingdom – Sauromates II, Electrum stater

That was the most joyful purchase this year. Not just because it’s yellow. For quite a while I’ve been lurking around a bosporan kingdom stater, but never pulled the trigger for financial/necessity ratio reasons : should I come across a rare Dombes coin 5x the price of that one, I would buy it, as it would be a brick in the wall I’m currently building. It’s not the case here. Just something I find appealing, but not fitting in any of the directions I pursue. But it gives some diversity to the small roman provincial collection I have, which was enough (we need reasons for acting, don’t we ? )

When I got it I was blown away. I had previously hold gold, of course, but the feeling of the coin’s weight in hand, the pale color of electrum, the dual portrait, all together, was really something special.

I’ve lenghtly written about it here, if you would like to know more

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Bosporan kingdom, Sauromates II (173/174 - 210/211 CE) – El stater, dated 491 (194-195 CE)
BACIΛΕωC CAVPOMATOV (anticlockwise). Draped and diademed bust of Sauromates II right
Laureate head of Septimius Severus right. Star in right field. Retrograd VPA at exergue (year 491)
20 mm - 7,69 gr
Ref : MacDonald # 502/2, Sear # 5476 var

Thank you for reading

I wish you all, my CT friends, a merry Christmas, and a most happy new year

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Hard to argue with your #1 pick. A very beautiful piece!

ominus1 · Nov 30, 2020

..fine, outstanding coins Q...

Romancollector · Nov 30, 2020

Great additions @Cucumbor !!! You've had a successful collecting year! I particularly like your Syracusan bronze and Bosporan stater.

Al Kowsky · Nov 30, 2020

Cucumbor said: ↑

Hi CT folks

2020 hasn’t been a good year in many ways, especially with the Covid pandemic and its millions of victims. Collecting coins may appear very futile in such circumstances. However I feel it’s even more necessary, as it’s a place/time out of the real world, were we can breathe and dream at ease, and escape to all this darkness.

I’ve not bought many coins in 2020 (less than 20), but some of them are very important in my collecting process. As a side note, I’m a roman empire guy, which you won’t find obvious in what follows !

Anyway, here are the 5 ½ that stand out the (small) horde…

6 – Thick roundness (or round thickness…) : a Syracuse bronze

While following an online auction during a very frustrating lockdown #1 last april, I saw that coin, and because I like so much Syracuse coinage, I thought (well, sort of « thought ») it might be a good idea to adding it to my small series. Upon arrival it appeared to be even better than expected with its kind of globular aspect : very thick and with round, soft edges. I find the hippocamp very attractive. All in all, a good surprise, well deserving a room in the top of the year list

View attachment 1210128
Sicily, Syracuse - Bronze litra, circa 375-344 BCE,
[ΣYPA] Head of Athena left, wearing Corinthian helmet with neck guard,
Hippocamp left
15mm., 6.13g
Ref : Calciati # 34, Sear # 1193

5 – A rare douzain : Dombes, Marie de Montpensier, douzain 1616

Among french royal coinage, the douzain is quite a popular denomination, being abundant, and large enough to allow collectors to having fun at reading legends and finding unrecorded varieties. On the other hand the billon they’re made of isn’t the best metal to strike coins, hence quality isn’t often there.

When it comes to Dombes (yes, you will have to stand Dombes coins this year too ), if douzains are quite numerous for Henri II de Montpensier, they are scarce before him (i.e. Louis II and François II), and become very rare after him. His daughter, Marie de Montpensier has had douzains struck in her name from 1613 to 1620, of which only a total of 15 specimens are known. When that one showed up, I had to have it, my 1613 specimen being very sad, alone in its tray. It was sold as 1616, not quite sure about that, it might well be 1618 all the same, the last digit being cut in half at the edge of the planchet. Anyway, it’s either unique, or the 5th known example.

View attachment 1210129
Dombes, Marie de Montpensier (1608-1627) - Douzain, billon - 1616
Atelier de Trévoux
+ MARIA • P • DOMBAR • D • MONTIS • P (cœur) Ecu de Bourbon couronné, dans le champ, deux M couronnées
+ DNS • ADIVT • ET • REDEM • MEVS 1616 Croix échancrée cantonnée de couronnes
22 mm - 2,11 gr
Ref : Divo Dombes # 129a

4 – An unusual bust : Trajan Decius, Antioch tetradrachm

That one was the last important purchase this year, and I presented it in a thread not long ago, here. What appealed to me was the unusual bust, with balteus and trabea.

I have since contacted CGB (the french auction house) whose former director was Michel Prieur. They still host and maintain his Syro-Phoenician Tetradrachms database, and confirmed the rarity of the coin which is now #8 of the type

View attachment 1210134
Roman provincial, Trajan Decius (09/249 – 07 or 08/251) – Billon Tetradrachm, Antioch mint - 7° officina
AYT K Γ ME KY TPAIANOC ΔEKIOC CEB Radiate bust right, cuirassed with trabea on right shoulder, and balteus on chest, seen from front. Z under bust.
ΔHMAPX EΞOYCIAC Eagle standing right on a palm branch, head right holding wreath in beak, and wings spread. At exergue SC
27 mm - 12,35 gr - 6h
Ref : Prieur # 558_08 (2), McAlee # 1140 (very rare)

3 – An attractive portrait of Octavian, but lacking a portrait of Julius Caesar : Vienna half dupondius

That one too has been presented not long ago in a thread here, even though I bought it earlier this year. After the Covid frenzy not allowing a lot of time for writing up, I am now at home for a few weeks and can do some…

As the title suggests, I’ve been drawn to this half coin for its beautiful portrait of Octavian. Moreover, those somewhat crude gaulish coinages (Vienna, Arausio, Lugdunum, Nemausus) have a great symbolic and historical background that I find very attractive.

View attachment 1210132
Gaul, Julius Caesar & Octavian – Halved dupondius, Vienna (Gaul), ca. 36 BCE
[•IM]P• [DIVI•IVL•CAE]SAR•DIVI•F bare headed portraits [of Julius Caesar to left] and Octavian to right
C•[I•V] Prow of galley to right, surmounted by superstructure and mast (CIV for Colonia Ivlia Viennensis)
31,5 mm – 9,96 gr
Ref : RPC # 517

2 – Where non specialists begin to think you’re nuts : Dombes, Anne Marie Louise de Bourbon, luigino 1665

Anne Marie Louise d'Orléans was Princess of the Dombes principality. She was born to Marie de Montpensier and Gaston d'Orléans in 1627 CE. Her mother passed away soon after her birth, and her father ruled the principality as a regent until her majority. The family was of highest rank, Gaston being king Louis XIII's brother, hence Louis XIV'S uncle.

When Anne Marie Louise issued her famous 5 sols silver coins, aka luigini, they soon became very popular in the Middle East countries, allegedly because they featured an advantadgeous female bust. Many duchies, counties and principalities, especially in Italy followed the trend and flooded the market with copies of various quality and legends. The fact is that very quickly the silver content decreased, to the point where a royal edict lead to a withdrawal of all of them.

The usual, standard, design is the following, with the date in the reverse field, left and right to the ecu :

View attachment 1210131

As written above, you find them by the million. The reference book to them, the « Cammarano », describes a variety with the date at the end of the reverse legend, instead of being in the field.

« What the heck do you care about this, dude ? »

Although it’s been given a R1 rarity rate, I haven’t seen any 1665 of those in 22 years of collecting other than in public collections . In the middle of june, leaving home for work around 7 AM, I got an alert for new items from a dealer. Needless to say I jumped on it (litterally) even considering its poor preservation, knowing I might have to wait decades before I see another. And now I have plenty of time to upgrade if necessary

View attachment 1210130
Dombes, Anne Marie Louise d'Orleans (1650-1693) - Douzième d'écu, argent - 1665
Atelier de Trévoux
AN •MA • LVD • PRINC • SVP • DOMBA, Buste drapé de 3/4 à droite
(Rose) DNS (trèfle) ADIVTOR • A • ET • RED MEVS 1665, Ecu d'Orléans couronné.
20 mm - 2.23 gr
Ref : Divo Dombes # 232, Camarano # 46

1 – In the end, the sun rises ….. Bosporan kingdom – Sauromates II, Electrum stater

That was the most joyful purchase this year. Not just because it’s yellow. For quite a while I’ve been lurking around a bosporan kingdom stater, but never pulled the trigger for financial/necessity ratio reasons : should I come across a rare Dombes coin 5x the price of that one, I would buy it, as it would be a brick in the wall I’m currently building. It’s not the case here. Just something I find appealing, but not fitting in any of the directions I pursue. But it gives some diversity to the small roman provincial collection I have, which was enough (we need reasons for acting, don’t we ? )

When I got it I was blown away. I had previously hold gold, of course, but the feeling of the coin’s weight in hand, the pale color of electrum, the dual portrait, all together, was really something special.

I’ve lenghtly written about it here, if you would like to know more

View attachment 1210133
Bosporan kingdom, Sauromates II (173/174 - 210/211 CE) – El stater, dated 491 (194-195 CE)
BACIΛΕωC CAVPOMATOV (anticlockwise). Draped and diademed bust of Sauromates II right
Laureate head of Septimius Severus right. Star in right field. Retrograd VPA at exergue (year 491)
20 mm - 7,69 gr
Ref : MacDonald # 502/2, Sear # 5476 var

Thank you for reading

I wish you all, my CT friends, a merry Christmas, and a most happy new year

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Q, It looks like you did well again this year ! The electrum stater gets my top vote. Lovely portraits & toning . The handsome Decius Tet deserves 2nd place, & the halved dupondius of Octavian deserves 3rd place .

panzerman · Nov 30, 2020

I love all your coins! I do not blame you for loving Dombes coinage, I also like French Provincial coinage/ plus the gold upto Louis Napoleon III.
John

Severus Alexander · Dec 26, 2020

I love the Bosporan stater and the Vienne as, @Cucumbor - both really lovely coins. But I can appreciate the satisfaction of finding that rare luigino(?) too. The huge numbers of these in existence always baffles me... I would love to hear more of the story of how they became so popular. (I had no idea this started in the Middle East.)

My Bosporan stater from a few decades later (253-4) has a little less gold in it.

TIF · Jan 5, 2021

That Syracuse hippocamp is very appealing.

Best wishes for a wonderful 2021, dear friend .

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