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<p>[QUOTE="Drusus, post: 360511, member: 6370"]I dont sell so I dont fit what you say and I dont like it much...who are you to try to put someone out of business? Who appointed you the guy to 'give people what they deserve'. I often see people run here pointing out something that I dont agree is either fake or wrong...this is the problem...I dont know you from Adam and what makes you an expert? Because you are a collector <b>(or worse a seller)</b> and post on a forum about coins? </p><p> </p><p>I also wonder why people feel the need to take it upon themselves to 'teach' new collectors using thread after thread of eBay sellers. Again...for one...who are they to teach? What credentials? You collect? we all do that...You sell? well at least we know why you want new collectors.</p><p> </p><p>I understand if a new collector comes in asking questions, if you know the answer...great...have an opinion? great as long as its put forth as such. So often I see people step up to answer a question and they are either dead wrong and must be corrected by someone who knows what they are talking about (often when it comes to attribution). Or they TEACH something that is pure opinion thus what they are actually doing is teaching people some subjective rubbish like 'never clean a coin' or 'get it slabbed' or they just proclaim a coin fake from a photo because 'it doesn't look right'.</p><p> </p><p>I am no expert but I have been collecting for a bit so I help when someone asks, only when I know for sure with attribution (even then I am sometimes off). Some fakes are just glaring so those I might point out. Often I try to balance out subjective advice that is given by self proclaimed teachers...to show they are just 'teaching' their own ideas of how something should be and that there are other ways.</p><p> </p><p>More than ever these days I see a flood of self proclaimed experts judging sellers and what they sell...they bad mouth eBay ad nauseum for not pulling an auction or taking quick action simply because they say it should be. EBay is supposed to just take your word for it when they dont know who you are or what you really know. Why should they believe you? Who are you and why should they care? EBay is now working with the ANA experts (or so they say)...so they looked for people to help...experts.</p><p> </p><p>I understand people are hypersensitive to fakes, I am as well...but some people are on a crusade they will never win as they will never remove dishonest sellers, those crooks will never stop selling fakes and you will never stop them. Or they want to teach something to the new collectors when, with many, I have never seen anything from them to make me feel they should be taking up this mission, with some I wouldnt want them to teach how to tie a shoe, let alone anything about coins.</p><p> </p><p>So IMO the best way to help people is to answer their questions when they ask them as best you can, if there is a point you wish to make, thats great but simply posting every fake you find over and over and over again isnt going to do much as the thread will soon be forgotten with all the thousands of other ebay threads...without some permanent listing of fakes and fake sellers, its just another thread about another fake on ebay...same old and nothing will change. Before I buy I often look through various fake seller lists and databases of fake coins... I cannot read every ebay thread here to try and find the seller I am about to buy from to see if people have had problems with them in the past. To be honest, with many of the people here, they are so quick to bash, I often dont agree with their judgment anyway so the thread will be of no help as I dont agree with the way they approach the hobby. As far as I can tell there are a handful of people here that I think are true experts with good judgment when it come to fakes and teaching, these people seldom if ever go out of their way to do so but help when questions are asked...everyone else are just people with a hobby or sellers.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Drusus, post: 360511, member: 6370"]I dont sell so I dont fit what you say and I dont like it much...who are you to try to put someone out of business? Who appointed you the guy to 'give people what they deserve'. I often see people run here pointing out something that I dont agree is either fake or wrong...this is the problem...I dont know you from Adam and what makes you an expert? Because you are a collector [B](or worse a seller)[/B] and post on a forum about coins? I also wonder why people feel the need to take it upon themselves to 'teach' new collectors using thread after thread of eBay sellers. Again...for one...who are they to teach? What credentials? You collect? we all do that...You sell? well at least we know why you want new collectors. I understand if a new collector comes in asking questions, if you know the answer...great...have an opinion? great as long as its put forth as such. So often I see people step up to answer a question and they are either dead wrong and must be corrected by someone who knows what they are talking about (often when it comes to attribution). Or they TEACH something that is pure opinion thus what they are actually doing is teaching people some subjective rubbish like 'never clean a coin' or 'get it slabbed' or they just proclaim a coin fake from a photo because 'it doesn't look right'. I am no expert but I have been collecting for a bit so I help when someone asks, only when I know for sure with attribution (even then I am sometimes off). Some fakes are just glaring so those I might point out. Often I try to balance out subjective advice that is given by self proclaimed teachers...to show they are just 'teaching' their own ideas of how something should be and that there are other ways. More than ever these days I see a flood of self proclaimed experts judging sellers and what they sell...they bad mouth eBay ad nauseum for not pulling an auction or taking quick action simply because they say it should be. EBay is supposed to just take your word for it when they dont know who you are or what you really know. Why should they believe you? Who are you and why should they care? EBay is now working with the ANA experts (or so they say)...so they looked for people to help...experts. I understand people are hypersensitive to fakes, I am as well...but some people are on a crusade they will never win as they will never remove dishonest sellers, those crooks will never stop selling fakes and you will never stop them. Or they want to teach something to the new collectors when, with many, I have never seen anything from them to make me feel they should be taking up this mission, with some I wouldnt want them to teach how to tie a shoe, let alone anything about coins. So IMO the best way to help people is to answer their questions when they ask them as best you can, if there is a point you wish to make, thats great but simply posting every fake you find over and over and over again isnt going to do much as the thread will soon be forgotten with all the thousands of other ebay threads...without some permanent listing of fakes and fake sellers, its just another thread about another fake on ebay...same old and nothing will change. Before I buy I often look through various fake seller lists and databases of fake coins... I cannot read every ebay thread here to try and find the seller I am about to buy from to see if people have had problems with them in the past. To be honest, with many of the people here, they are so quick to bash, I often dont agree with their judgment anyway so the thread will be of no help as I dont agree with the way they approach the hobby. As far as I can tell there are a handful of people here that I think are true experts with good judgment when it come to fakes and teaching, these people seldom if ever go out of their way to do so but help when questions are asked...everyone else are just people with a hobby or sellers.[/QUOTE]
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