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<p>[QUOTE="seth77, post: 7764338, member: 56653"]Without the legend marking certain consulships there is no way to say for certain which consulship the bust should be tied to (if any -- for instance in the East the campgate and the IOVI reduced module types were issued with the same "consular" bust type from ca. 317 for both Augusti and the Caesars), so RIC 244 might aswell date to the end of 321, as its rarity seems to indicate.</p><p><br /></p><p>What helps us more in this case is the series of types at Rome: the ROMAE AETERNAE introduced in 319 in anticipation of Constantine's quindecennalia with RP mintmark, the ROMAE AETERNAE continued to 320 with the celebratory EROS mintmark and the VOT X ET XV F (and variations) minted specifically for Constantine's quindecennalia, likely around June-August 320, the continuation of the X ET XV with the return to regular RP mintmark in late summer 320, the new VOT XV FEL XX (and variations) marking the end of the quindecennalia celebrations and a new set of vows by Constantine I -- vota suscepta for the vicennalia in the autumn and later part of 320. Now as late as late 320, the coinage in the name of the heirs was not with their nominal vows. It starts showing nominal vows for Constantine II and Crispus (the VOT V inside wreath CAESARVM NOSTRORVM) after the end of 320, very likely early 321, when the two heirs are shown in a dynastic fashion with their own vota suscepta that they take on, and which is renewed in very very late 321 or more likely 322 when VOT V becomes vota soluta and a new suscepta issue is added for X. After that, the coinage in copper/billon starts to dwindle in Italy and everything comes to a halt probably in mid to late 322. Notice for instance that the new types that become copious both in the west and in the mid-Danube area (Sirimium), conspicuously the SARMATIA/ALLAMANIA DEVICTA are totally missing from Rome (and Ticinum and Aquileia).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="seth77, post: 7764338, member: 56653"]Without the legend marking certain consulships there is no way to say for certain which consulship the bust should be tied to (if any -- for instance in the East the campgate and the IOVI reduced module types were issued with the same "consular" bust type from ca. 317 for both Augusti and the Caesars), so RIC 244 might aswell date to the end of 321, as its rarity seems to indicate. What helps us more in this case is the series of types at Rome: the ROMAE AETERNAE introduced in 319 in anticipation of Constantine's quindecennalia with RP mintmark, the ROMAE AETERNAE continued to 320 with the celebratory EROS mintmark and the VOT X ET XV F (and variations) minted specifically for Constantine's quindecennalia, likely around June-August 320, the continuation of the X ET XV with the return to regular RP mintmark in late summer 320, the new VOT XV FEL XX (and variations) marking the end of the quindecennalia celebrations and a new set of vows by Constantine I -- vota suscepta for the vicennalia in the autumn and later part of 320. Now as late as late 320, the coinage in the name of the heirs was not with their nominal vows. It starts showing nominal vows for Constantine II and Crispus (the VOT V inside wreath CAESARVM NOSTRORVM) after the end of 320, very likely early 321, when the two heirs are shown in a dynastic fashion with their own vota suscepta that they take on, and which is renewed in very very late 321 or more likely 322 when VOT V becomes vota soluta and a new suscepta issue is added for X. After that, the coinage in copper/billon starts to dwindle in Italy and everything comes to a halt probably in mid to late 322. Notice for instance that the new types that become copious both in the west and in the mid-Danube area (Sirimium), conspicuously the SARMATIA/ALLAMANIA DEVICTA are totally missing from Rome (and Ticinum and Aquileia).[/QUOTE]
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