CRISPUS the rapist (???)

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  1. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    a haha..kool...brings back memories eh?!..:)...well that's purdy neat, Brian..
     
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  3. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Crispus had a very convulated but interesting lineage/family background:

    His father (Constantine) was an Emperor

    His grandfather on his father’s side (Constantius I) was an Emperor

    His grandfather on his step-mother’s side (Maximian Herculius - Maximianus - was an Emperor

    His step-grandmother on his father’s side (Helena) was (eventually) a Saint
     
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  4. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    That was not the reference I was thinking of. This is it:

    https://www.amazon.com/Constantine-Dynasty-Religion-Power-Empire/dp/1118782755/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Dynasty,+Religion+and+Power+in+the+Later+Roman+Empire&qid=1570412356&sr=8-1

    Constantine: Dynasty, Religion and Power in the Later Roman Empire by Timothy D. Barnes.

    I misremembered Barnes' hypothesis, but he argues Crispus and others were caught up in a high treason scandal organized by Fausta, who ended up killing herself so her children could inherit the empire...I think. See chapter 7. Barnes does his homework and presents a lot of primary sources. I haven't had a look at this in a couple years so any mistakes are mine. Maybe later I'll go back and take another look and write something better.
     
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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    My favorite Crispus; also one of my favorite campgates.

    Crispus - Campgate SMANTE 1382.jpg
    CRISPUS
    AE3. 3.7g, 19.1mm. Antioch mint, AD 325-326. RIC VII Antioch 64 (R2). O: FL IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust left. R: PROVIDEN-TIAE CAESS, campgate with 7 layers, 2 turrets, star between; SMANTЄ in exergue.

    A scarcer 'plain' vota type with no wreath.

    Crispus - VOTIS no wreath 2072.jpg CRISPUS
    AE3. 2.97g, 18.5mm. Arles, AD 320. RIC VII Arles 220 (R3). O: CRISPVS - NOB CAES, laureate head right. R: CAESARVM NOSTRORVM around VO/TIS/V in three lines; TA in exergue below a horizontal line.
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Crispus 5.jpg
    CRISPUS
    AE3
    OBVERSE: D N FL IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: PROVIDEN TIAECAESS Jupiter stg. l., chlamys across l. shoulder, leaning on scepter, holding Victory on globe. In field to l., palm branch; in field to r., dot A; in exergue, SMN
    Struck at Nicomedia 317 - 320 A.D
    2.92g, 18mm
    RIC VII 32
     
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  7. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Interesting biographical information and some great looking Crispii (sp ?) posted here. I only have two and it has been a couple years since I attributed them, so I may have made some errors. The cruddy one from Rome is rare, I think - condition is unfortunate :(.

    Crispus campgate Rome Sep 2017 (0).jpg

    Crispus
    Æ 18
    (318-319 A.D.) Rome Mint

    CRISPVS NOB C[AES], laureate, cuirassed bust left, spear & shield front / VIRTVS AVG[G], Campgate with 6 rows, 3 turrets, closed doors, double archway, P R across fields RP in exergue
    (2.38 grams / 18 mm)
    RIC VII, 180 (Rarity 5).

    Crispus Altar Sep. 2017 (0).jpg

    Crispus Æ 20
    (322-323 A.D.) Trier Mint

    IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES, Laureate, cuirassed bust left, spear over shoulder & shield / BEATA TRANQVILLITAS altar inscribed VO/TIS/XX, globe and three stars above, •PTR• in exergue.
    (2.15 grams / 20 mm)
    RIC VII, 374 Trier
     
  8. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    Two of my three are below. The first is a pleasant :) looking silvered one. The second is an unsightly :wacky: but interesting example due to the rarely seen shield containing a seated victory inscribing a shield.

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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That is an interesting shield. It looks like the standard Victory inscribing shield type seen long before and after. I did not recall seeing the idea on a coin of Constantine's lifetime. There is a solidus of Constantius II rather later so I went looking and found quite an array. I only have the more common ones.
    https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.asp...R_TYPE_ID_2=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_4=1
    Commodus
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    Eudoxia
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  10. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    @dougsmit - Nice examples!

    Here is a link to a nicer example of the same type as mine.
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=145091
    It hammered at $350 plus fees, which is quadruple what I paid for mine. :-o
    Although mine is clearly inferior to it the CNG example shows nothing on the shield that Victory is inscribing whereas at least on mine you can kinda'-sorta' make out something.

    The Cripus shield type that I badly want is the one with a Christogram on the shield. I've waited years for one to come up for sale. :-/ Here's an example:
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  11. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    One vota Crispus from Thessalonica
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    and one with spear and shield. 142-14.jpg
     
  12. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Another old thread revived, to give myself an opportunity to post my one coin of Crispus:

    Crispus Caesar, Billon reduced Centenionalis, Arelate [Arles] Mint (3rd Officina) 321 AD. Obv. Laureate bust right, CRISPUS NOB CAES / Rev. VOT • V in three lines within laurel wreath, CAESARVM NOSTRORVM. In exergue: T [Crescent] A. RIC VII ARLES 235 (p. 260), Sear RCV IV 16747, Cohen 30. 20 mm., 2.73 g.

    Crispus Caesar - jpg version.jpg
     
  13. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i have 7 coins of Crispus... i found 3 more on the table recently...:D
     
  14. Alwin

    Alwin Well-Known Member

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    CRISPUS
    .ATR Treveri, 317-318
    3,86 g - 18 mm
    C91 - RIC VII 140
     
  15. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Whilst in quarantine during the COVID-19 pandemic, I've been going through piles of other stuff I've collected over the years, namely old books. Though not a coin, this seems to fit this revived thread. A play by Nathaniel Lee called Constantine the Great, published in 1684 in quarto.

    According to this play, Crispus and Fausta didn't get along...out of breath with kisses, but also daggers and stuff. I haven't read the whole thing, but below is an excerpt:

    Constantine the Great Nat Lee 1684 (2).JPG

    Constantine the Great Nat Lee 1684 (3).JPG
     
  16. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    nice coin:happy:
     
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