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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;beef1020, post: 2392729, member: 24544&quot;]I would need to see the coin in hand to determine what is going on as I am between a die crack and a stain, although with the zinc pennys you can get lamination issues too.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just to further the discussion on die crack, versus retained cud, versus cud, just keep in mind it&#039;s a progression with no discrete states.&nbsp; The die first cracks, then starts to shift, then falls away completely, with coins being struck the entire time.&nbsp; I tend to think the crack and the cud are stable states while the retained cud is more of a transition state.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>With that said, and my experience is in large cents, the retained cuds are less common.&nbsp; Lots of varieties have coins showing the cracks outlining the cud, and coins showing the cud, but no coins showing the retained cud.&nbsp; And as with any rule there are exceptions, so some varieties have the retained cud much more common than the final state with the cud.&nbsp; For example 1846 N15 is very common with the cracks, rare with the retained cud, and extremely rare in the final state with the cud (just 2 examples known).&nbsp; Not my 1846 N15, but here is an example of the progression, from cracks (through the U and E in united), then the retained cud, followed by the extremely rare final state:</p><p><br /></p><p>1846 N15 cracks: <a href="http://early-copper.com/coinpics/46N15.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://early-copper.com/coinpics/46N15.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://early-copper.com/coinpics/46N15.jpg</a></p><p>1846 N15 retained cud: <a href="http://early-copper.com/coinpics/46N15c.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://early-copper.com/coinpics/46N15c.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://early-copper.com/coinpics/46N15c.jpg</a></p><p>1846 N15 cud: <a href="http://early-copper.com/coinpics/46N15d.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://early-copper.com/coinpics/46N15d.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://early-copper.com/coinpics/46N15d.jpg</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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