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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24640788, member: 26430"]Some great barbs! My favorites are the barbs depicting barbarians/captives.</p><p><br /></p><p>The following coin has an official RIC number (RIC IX, p. 220, 41b.7) but no illustration and <i>no specimen cited</i>! I've been unable to find another specimen illustrated, nor have a few others who've looked for one (e.g., [USER=15452]@rasiel[/USER] Suarez, who had it in gray in ERIC II, or S. Caza [<a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=130449.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=130449.0" rel="nofollow">FAC 130449 (24 Jan 2023)</a>]). It makes me wonder if the official type existed at all, or if it only exists as a "barb":</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1567979[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Valens (Barbarous?) AE3</b> (17mm, 1.91g, 6h), Constantinople, 367-375 CE (for prototype).</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Obverse</b>: (D N VALENS) P F AVG. Bust of Valens, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed, right.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Reverse</b>: (GLORIA) ROMANORVM / CONSΔ in ex. Emperor advancing right, dragging captive with right hand and holding labarum in left. Crosses in fields to left and right.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>References</b>: ERIC II p. 1098, No. 493 (tentative) = RIC (IX, Constantinople) 41b, Subtype 7 [+/+//CONSΔ]; OCRE 41b.7 <a href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.9.cnp.41B.7" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.9.cnp.41B.7" rel="nofollow">[LINK]</a> (Zero examples cited); Esty Reverse Type 5 <a href="http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/type5.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/type5.html" rel="nofollow">[LINK]</a> for GLORIA ROMANORVM Emperor dragging captive.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Provenance</b>: Acq. 9 Oct 2013 from N. Hochrein (Holding History Coins [DePere, WI USA]) for $2.11.</font></font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's another fun one that I bought recently in a group lot. A tiny (<i>really tiny --</i> 10mm, 0.43g) Constantinian brockage, presumably from Britain:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1567980[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Roman Britain (Roman Imperial, “Barbarous” Contemporary Imitative). Constantine (?) AE Minimus</b> (10mm, 0.43g, 12h), obverse brockage, c. 330-340s (?).</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Obv</b>: Pearl-diademed, cuirassed bust right.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Rev</b>: Incuse image of obv.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Ref</b>: Cf. Bishops Canning 392, Chapmanslade 699, Maidenhatch 69-71 for imitations of Trier & Lugdunum mint GLORIA EXERCITVS types.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Prov</b>: Ex Martin Wettmark Collection (acq. eBay USA, April 2017; <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10045274" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10045274" rel="nofollow">CNG EA 525 [19 Oct 2022], 1835</a> [part]).</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Notes</b>: Very small even for a British imitative (of 877 imitations in the Chapmanslade hoard, ~1 - 2% this small). Aside from some Byzantine era Trachy, this is by far the smallest brockage of bronze of a coin that I’ve found (certainly for the Roman Imperial period, including imitations).</font></font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>My favorite "barb" of all</b>: For something a little different, here is one of the Barbarous (?) Cappadocian Drachms that Bono Simonetta and Otto Morkholm argued about so bitterly.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1567982[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"><b>Cappadocia, Ariarathes V [Morkholm, Barb. Imit.] AR Drachm</b> (19mm, 3.70g, 12h), c. 160 BCE (?). Ariarathes diademed / Athena.</font></font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>This example was cited in B. Simonetta's 1958 & 1961 articles, then first illustrated in his 1974 <i>RIN</i> article and the 1977 collection catalog.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1567981[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Confusingly, B. Simonetta described these as “Dramma barbarica … di Ariarathes V,” and as being of "very barbarous style" ... but <b>NOT</b> imitatives. Instead, he vigorously defended his claim that this was an official issue of Ariarathes V. They were of barbarous style, he argued, due to the stresses of the revolt of Orophernes, 161-159 BCE.</p><p><br /></p><p>Otto Morkholm, with whom almost everyone agreed, recognized it as an obviously unofficial issue. Simonetta's examples "comprise barbarian imitations which should be kept separate from the royal coinage" (Morkholm 1968, p. 250; see also 1969, p. 30)</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't have Alberto Simonetta's (the son) 2007 <i>Parthica</i> catalog of the collection (hard to find a copy at all, much less one under c. $200), but I'd love to know where he falls on this issue. In some cases, he softened his father's positions. I've seen these cited to Simonetta 2007 as "Ariarathes VIII?" (this coin supposedly on pl. XV as "3a", but described on p. 77, as "3b").[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24640788, member: 26430"]Some great barbs! My favorites are the barbs depicting barbarians/captives. The following coin has an official RIC number (RIC IX, p. 220, 41b.7) but no illustration and [I]no specimen cited[/I]! I've been unable to find another specimen illustrated, nor have a few others who've looked for one (e.g., [USER=15452]@rasiel[/USER] Suarez, who had it in gray in ERIC II, or S. Caza [[URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=130449.0']FAC 130449 (24 Jan 2023)[/URL]]). It makes me wonder if the official type existed at all, or if it only exists as a "barb": [ATTACH=full]1567979[/ATTACH] [INDENT][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4][B]Valens (Barbarous?) AE3[/B] (17mm, 1.91g, 6h), Constantinople, 367-375 CE (for prototype). [B]Obverse[/B]: (D N VALENS) P F AVG. Bust of Valens, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed, right. [B]Reverse[/B]: (GLORIA) ROMANORVM / CONSΔ in ex. Emperor advancing right, dragging captive with right hand and holding labarum in left. Crosses in fields to left and right. [B]References[/B]: ERIC II p. 1098, No. 493 (tentative) = RIC (IX, Constantinople) 41b, Subtype 7 [+/+//CONSΔ]; OCRE 41b.7 [URL='http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.9.cnp.41B.7'][LINK][/URL] (Zero examples cited); Esty Reverse Type 5 [URL='http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/type5.html'][LINK][/URL] for GLORIA ROMANORVM Emperor dragging captive. [B]Provenance[/B]: Acq. 9 Oct 2013 from N. Hochrein (Holding History Coins [DePere, WI USA]) for $2.11.[/SIZE][/FONT][/INDENT] Here's another fun one that I bought recently in a group lot. A tiny ([I]really tiny --[/I] 10mm, 0.43g) Constantinian brockage, presumably from Britain: [ATTACH=full]1567980[/ATTACH] [INDENT][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4][B]Roman Britain (Roman Imperial, “Barbarous” Contemporary Imitative). Constantine (?) AE Minimus[/B] (10mm, 0.43g, 12h), obverse brockage, c. 330-340s (?). [B]Obv[/B]: Pearl-diademed, cuirassed bust right. [B]Rev[/B]: Incuse image of obv. [B]Ref[/B]: Cf. Bishops Canning 392, Chapmanslade 699, Maidenhatch 69-71 for imitations of Trier & Lugdunum mint GLORIA EXERCITVS types. [B]Prov[/B]: Ex Martin Wettmark Collection (acq. eBay USA, April 2017; [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10045274']CNG EA 525 [19 Oct 2022], 1835[/URL] [part]). [B]Notes[/B]: Very small even for a British imitative (of 877 imitations in the Chapmanslade hoard, ~1 - 2% this small). Aside from some Byzantine era Trachy, this is by far the smallest brockage of bronze of a coin that I’ve found (certainly for the Roman Imperial period, including imitations).[/SIZE][/FONT][/INDENT] [B]My favorite "barb" of all[/B]: For something a little different, here is one of the Barbarous (?) Cappadocian Drachms that Bono Simonetta and Otto Morkholm argued about so bitterly. [ATTACH=full]1567982[/ATTACH] [INDENT][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4][B]Cappadocia, Ariarathes V [Morkholm, Barb. Imit.] AR Drachm[/B] (19mm, 3.70g, 12h), c. 160 BCE (?). Ariarathes diademed / Athena.[/SIZE][/FONT][/INDENT] This example was cited in B. Simonetta's 1958 & 1961 articles, then first illustrated in his 1974 [I]RIN[/I] article and the 1977 collection catalog. [ATTACH=full]1567981[/ATTACH] Confusingly, B. Simonetta described these as “Dramma barbarica … di Ariarathes V,” and as being of "very barbarous style" ... but [B]NOT[/B] imitatives. Instead, he vigorously defended his claim that this was an official issue of Ariarathes V. They were of barbarous style, he argued, due to the stresses of the revolt of Orophernes, 161-159 BCE. Otto Morkholm, with whom almost everyone agreed, recognized it as an obviously unofficial issue. Simonetta's examples "comprise barbarian imitations which should be kept separate from the royal coinage" (Morkholm 1968, p. 250; see also 1969, p. 30) I don't have Alberto Simonetta's (the son) 2007 [I]Parthica[/I] catalog of the collection (hard to find a copy at all, much less one under c. $200), but I'd love to know where he falls on this issue. In some cases, he softened his father's positions. I've seen these cited to Simonetta 2007 as "Ariarathes VIII?" (this coin supposedly on pl. XV as "3a", but described on p. 77, as "3b").[/QUOTE]
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