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<p>[QUOTE="krispy, post: 831285, member: 19065"]Sorry to break it to you Guy~, but YES and to repeat AGAIN, <i>counter-stamped coins </i>have no numismatic premium as pertains to coin collecting. They are altered to the point of being considered damaged. As are elongated coins, holed coins or anything else that is intentionally done to the coin that changes their shape, form or message after they have left the Mint. Apart from normal circulation wear (in which you could still assess a coin grade to the coin) these altered coins are not graded as anything but damaged by coin collectors who would judge them with a numismatic value. NOW, the clubs/groups of collectors of souvenir or elongated coins, those run through a press, those that have had masonic symbols counter-stamped into the cents, states shapes counter-stamped, Kennedy's profile counter-stamped, a liberty bell counter-stamped into the field of a cent, a christian cross punched out of the center of a cent, a toilet seat or paper-weight with coins embedded in acrylics... what have you, there are entities of collectors of novelty (altered) coins which exist separately from pure coin collecting. Numismatic terms do not apply to these coins besides the stated designations of altered and damaged. Any value is therefore non-numismatic in nature and instead arrived at by it's own system of determination. Anyone can collect anything and therefore anything can be collectible. Any 'collectible' can have a value assessed and put on it by collectors beyond it's original price, beyond it's retail price or beyond it's denominational value for reasons solely deemed by the collectors but once you change a coin by adding to or subtracting from it, you have altered it and destroyed it and it's numismatic value (if there was any to begin with) for those coins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="krispy, post: 831285, member: 19065"]Sorry to break it to you Guy~, but YES and to repeat AGAIN, [I]counter-stamped coins [/I]have no numismatic premium as pertains to coin collecting. They are altered to the point of being considered damaged. As are elongated coins, holed coins or anything else that is intentionally done to the coin that changes their shape, form or message after they have left the Mint. Apart from normal circulation wear (in which you could still assess a coin grade to the coin) these altered coins are not graded as anything but damaged by coin collectors who would judge them with a numismatic value. NOW, the clubs/groups of collectors of souvenir or elongated coins, those run through a press, those that have had masonic symbols counter-stamped into the cents, states shapes counter-stamped, Kennedy's profile counter-stamped, a liberty bell counter-stamped into the field of a cent, a christian cross punched out of the center of a cent, a toilet seat or paper-weight with coins embedded in acrylics... what have you, there are entities of collectors of novelty (altered) coins which exist separately from pure coin collecting. Numismatic terms do not apply to these coins besides the stated designations of altered and damaged. Any value is therefore non-numismatic in nature and instead arrived at by it's own system of determination. Anyone can collect anything and therefore anything can be collectible. Any 'collectible' can have a value assessed and put on it by collectors beyond it's original price, beyond it's retail price or beyond it's denominational value for reasons solely deemed by the collectors but once you change a coin by adding to or subtracting from it, you have altered it and destroyed it and it's numismatic value (if there was any to begin with) for those coins.[/QUOTE]
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