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<p>[QUOTE="GeorgeM, post: 1387371, member: 28550"]Hmm. Going through and cataloging my coins, I found a wider mix of dates that expected. Several of the coins have counterpunches that are rotated or badly off centered. Based on my sample though, it seems that well centered counterpunches are in the majority (4 or 5:1), with the alignment generally the same as the original coin (9:1).</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are my rough attributions for the host coins:</p><p>20 over 40 Reis:</p><p>182XR (no idea - nothing at all left for the last numeral)</p><p>1821R</p><p>182XR (1822R?)</p><p>182XR (1823R... the 3 is worn enough that it's a big stretch)</p><p>XXX4R (presumable 1824R)</p><p>XXX4R (1824R?)</p><p>1XX6X (1826R?)</p><p>1827R</p><p>182XX (looks like it may be 1827, can't make out the mint mark at all)</p><p>18X7B (1827B?)</p><p>XXX8R (1828R)</p><p>18X8X (1828?)</p><p>XXX9G (presumably 1829G)</p><p>1830R (the R has a serif-spur visible, so it's not a B even though the bottom half of the date/mintmark is worn away) - with a clipped planchet</p><p>18X1R (1831R?)</p><p>XXXXB</p><p>XXXXR</p><p>& 2 unknown date or mint mark</p><p><br /></p><p>Among the 40/80 Reis coins, I found:</p><p>1828R</p><p>1829R</p><p>1828M</p><p>1828R</p><p> </p><p>Are any of those combinations impossible?</p><p><br /></p><p>One of the counterstamped coins in the lot is very different from the rest. It is in far worse shape than the others (with possible burial damage) so at first I didn't realize that it was a totally different pattern. I think this is an 1820 20 Reis - although all that I noted at first is that there's a dotted pattern instead of the wreath around the denomination. At 6:00, inside the dots is a "M" that looks like where the R and B mint marks are on 20 Ries pieces that I found on eBay. Was there an "M" mint? And was the diamond counterpunch used to 'transform' a 20 Reis coin into a 20 Reis coin, or did it signify something else?</p><p><br /></p><p>Using an image from this document, I've marked the counterpunch location in pink and the "M" in orange/red:</p><p>[ATTACH]165289.vB[/ATTACH]</p><p><a href="http://p-numismatika.cz/dokumenty/A_Numismatic_Legacy_from_Portugals_War_of_the_Two_Brothers.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://p-numismatika.cz/dokumenty/A_Numismatic_Legacy_from_Portugals_War_of_the_Two_Brothers.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://p-numismatika.cz/dokumenty/A_Numismatic_Legacy_from_Portugals_War_of_the_Two_Brothers.pdf</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GeorgeM, post: 1387371, member: 28550"]Hmm. Going through and cataloging my coins, I found a wider mix of dates that expected. Several of the coins have counterpunches that are rotated or badly off centered. Based on my sample though, it seems that well centered counterpunches are in the majority (4 or 5:1), with the alignment generally the same as the original coin (9:1). Here are my rough attributions for the host coins: 20 over 40 Reis: 182XR (no idea - nothing at all left for the last numeral) 1821R 182XR (1822R?) 182XR (1823R... the 3 is worn enough that it's a big stretch) XXX4R (presumable 1824R) XXX4R (1824R?) 1XX6X (1826R?) 1827R 182XX (looks like it may be 1827, can't make out the mint mark at all) 18X7B (1827B?) XXX8R (1828R) 18X8X (1828?) XXX9G (presumably 1829G) 1830R (the R has a serif-spur visible, so it's not a B even though the bottom half of the date/mintmark is worn away) - with a clipped planchet 18X1R (1831R?) XXXXB XXXXR & 2 unknown date or mint mark Among the 40/80 Reis coins, I found: 1828R 1829R 1828M 1828R Are any of those combinations impossible? One of the counterstamped coins in the lot is very different from the rest. It is in far worse shape than the others (with possible burial damage) so at first I didn't realize that it was a totally different pattern. I think this is an 1820 20 Reis - although all that I noted at first is that there's a dotted pattern instead of the wreath around the denomination. At 6:00, inside the dots is a "M" that looks like where the R and B mint marks are on 20 Ries pieces that I found on eBay. Was there an "M" mint? And was the diamond counterpunch used to 'transform' a 20 Reis coin into a 20 Reis coin, or did it signify something else? Using an image from this document, I've marked the counterpunch location in pink and the "M" in orange/red: [ATTACH]165289.vB[/ATTACH] [url]http://p-numismatika.cz/dokumenty/A_Numismatic_Legacy_from_Portugals_War_of_the_Two_Brothers.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
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