Counterfeit Silver $20 Silver piece. Anyone ever seen this?

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  1. ValpoBeginner

    ValpoBeginner Well Known Supporter

    My friends' boss picked this up from someone... Who either tried to pay with it or from a dealer. I got consulted and offered the following reasons why I thought it was counterfeit....1. never seen it, 2. Wasnt in Red book, and 3.because only gold was worth $20.00 back then through the 20th century. just wanted to know if: 1. I'm correct, and 2. If anyone else has seen this? 0_1b56a5323341d480b177d7db9ed4d12c7c1ea848-14.jpg
     
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  3. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    Not an expert on Double Eagles but...If it’s not Graded and slabbed ,not legit until proven innocent. Experts sure to follow
     
  4. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    The CC looks wrong. Has the metal been analyzed? What's the weight?
    The mintage lists 5000 pieces of 1891-CC double eagle.
     
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  5. green18

    green18 Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    No, and if genuine, why would anyone silver plate a twenty dollar gold piece?
     
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  6. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    Because silver prices were going up? ;)
     
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  7. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    It’s a reproduction of a $20 coin.
     
  8. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    I would be curious as to what it weighs, also.

    :)
     
  9. Two Dogs

    Two Dogs Active Member

    I agree about the mintmark being wrong. Here's a photo from the PCGS site:
     

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  10. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    Can't say anything about it from those pictures.
    Possibility: Contemporary off-metal counterfeit intended to be gold-plated and passed as $20.
    Most Likely: Modern off-metal counterfeit meant to be plated and fraudulently sold to a collector.
    Long shot: Genuine coin improperly cleaned in something like Jeweluster that had previously been used to clean a lot of silver coins. Jeweluster strips silver off of the surface of each coin, which then remains suspended in the solution. If you leave a coin in polluted Jewelluster for a long time you can, sometimes, plate the coin with the silver. I once saw a genuine Proof copper strike of a Liberty $20 that had been plated this way. Looked like dull copper-nickel.
    Do not attempt to clean it. Get weight and specific gravity before doing anything else.
     
  11. HaleiwaHI

    HaleiwaHI Active Member

    I think the first thing I would do is check the metal content & whether or not it was magnetic
     
  12. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    The thing about this one to me is that the devices appear crisp. Well beyond what I am used to seeing from counterfeit outfits.
     
  13. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Yes they did a good job except for the color.
    Since it doesn't say COPY or R, I am going with China until the answer comes in.
     
  14. Bob Evancho

    Bob Evancho Active Member

    Hi. You are correct. It is an off metal counterfeit. There was only one die used for the Obverse and Reverse 1891-CC and the item you picture ( I enlarged it) does not match the known Obverse and Reverse dies. Wrong CC's, wrong date position, wrong size lettering. I would suggest going here: https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...-winter-1-a-the-only-known-dies-ms-62-ngc-cac . One can learn much by reading the works of Q. David Bowers. Enjoy coin collecting and researching die varieties and characteristics.
     
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  15. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    That would make it a $2 black box curio
     
  16. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    Somebody should do a specific gravity test on it. It it is a modern counterfeit the metal is probably garbage. If it is a contemporary counterfeit there is a chance it was made of platinum.
     
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