Featured Counterfeit large eagle draped bust dollars

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Jack D. Young, Nov 11, 2019.

  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Always good to confirm it in your mind as well in my opinion! Mistakes can be made and I was just involved in a counterfeit "coin" in a TPG slab with a CAC sticker on it and the TPG's guarantee protected the owner. One of the benefits of having it slabbed by a major TPG...
     
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  3. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    What was the fake "tell" ??
     
  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    The counterfeits have improved exponentially. In the 1970's a majority of fakes were very high-grade looking pieces that were not very deceptive for a knowledgeable authenticator to detect. Their surfaces were unusual and easily examined. "Too-good-to-be-true" was a common giveaway! Virtually the only coins seen with "problems" were the "key" date coins in each series. Up to the mid-1990's, US coin authentication was almost a breeze at the TPGS's. An authentication error was very uncommon.

    Unfortunately, two major problems have occurred since then:

    1. The counterfeits became so good that any authenticator who relied on a hand lens alone could be "duped" at first.

    2. As soon as problem coins became eligible for slabbing, corroded, buffed, or otherwise altered surfaces helped hide the unusual surfaces found on most counterfeits.
     
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  5. coin dog

    coin dog Well-Known Member

    Hope this one is real!
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  6. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    Not to mention, people are also counterfeiting the slabs...
     
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  7. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

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  8. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    These just don't go away...

    Latest example listed today on the "Bay" with the same matching marks; starting bid only $500.00;):

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  9. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    And then there is this from today...

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  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The bad thing is some sucker somewhere will buy it as the real thing. Any idea if they lettered the edge of the planchet before they struck it?
     
  11. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    The edge is plain Conder101.
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Should have lettered it, would have made it more convincing.
     
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  13. NLL

    NLL Well-Known Member

    Don’t give these people any ideas.
     
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  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    That's usually my line.
     
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  15. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Fakes from this family continue- had contact with a seller in Mexico for his "1800" dated piece. Same 1799 B-10 reverse and matching marks.

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    And then another fantasy "error" coin:

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    With all of the activity I decided I should get another summary article out there and submitted the finished version to Coin Week.

    Best, Jack.
     
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Great work as always Jack.
     
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  17. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    My fascination ends with our collective ability to detect them. As for the counterfeits themselves, my opinion of them and the people who make and distribute them cannot be expressed here because such words cannot be posted on this site. Calling such people thieves and criminals is too mild.
     
  18. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    From what I have seen, a very large number of the counterfeits that make it TPG holders are in “details” problem coin slabs. Messing with surfaces gives the crooks an opportunity to cover up their problems.
     
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    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

  20. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    So Excellent! Great pictures, which helps so much.
     
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  21. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Thanks again for your tireless work Jack
     
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