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<p>[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 705562, member: 57463"]1. I was invited by one of the participants. </p><p>2. I have two degrees not 47, one in criminal justice and another in criminology; and I assure you that counterfeiting is criminal. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree. As I said, you can be innocently in possession. The object may be seized, but you will not be punished. That said ...</p><p><br /></p><p><b>(1) -- Whoever keeps in possession shall be fined or imprisoned.</b></p><p> TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE</p><p> PART I - CRIMES</p><p> CHAPTER 25 - COUNTERFEITING AND FORGERY</p><p> Sec. 472. Uttering counterfeit obligations or securities</p><p> Whoever, with intent to defraud, passes, utters, publishes, or</p><p> sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or with like</p><p> intent brings into the United States or keeps in possession or</p><p> conceals any falsely made, forged, counterfeited, or altered</p><p> obligation or other security of the United States, shall be fined</p><p> under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both </p><p><br /></p><p><b>(2) Whoever possesses or in any other manner uses shall be fined.</b></p><p>TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE</p><p> PART I - CRIMES</p><p> CHAPTER 25 - COUNTERFEITING AND FORGERY</p><p> Sec. 489. Making or possessing likeness of coins</p><p> Whoever, within the United States, makes or brings therein from</p><p> any foreign country, or possesses with intent to sell, give away,</p><p> or in any other manner uses the same, except under authority of the</p><p> Secretary of the Treasury or other proper officer of the United</p><p> States, any token, disk, or device in the likeness or similitude as</p><p> to design, color, or the inscription thereon of any of the coins of</p><p> the United States or of any foreign country issued as money, either</p><p> under the authority of the United States or under the authority of</p><p> any foreign government shall be fined under this title.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>(3) All counterfeits shall be forfeited</b></p><p>TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE</p><p> PART I - CRIMES</p><p> CHAPTER 25 - COUNTERFEITING AND FORGERY</p><p> Sec. 492. Forfeiture of counterfeit paraphernalia</p><p> All counterfeits of any coins or obligations or other securities</p><p> of the United States or of any foreign government, or any articles,</p><p> devices, and other things made, possessed, or used in violation of</p><p> this chapter or of sections 331-333, 335, 336, 642 or 1720, of this</p><p> title, or any material or apparatus used or fitted or intended to</p><p> be used, in the making of such counterfeits, articles, devices or</p><p> things, found in the possession of any person without authority</p><p> from the Secretary of the Treasury or other proper officer, shall</p><p> be forfeited to the United States.</p><p> Whoever, having the custody or control of any such counterfeits,</p><p> material, apparatus, articles, devices, or other things, fails or</p><p> refuses to surrender possession thereof upon request by any</p><p> authorized agent of the Treasury Department, or other proper</p><p> officer, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more</p><p> than one year, or both.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I point out that LACK OF ENFORCEMENT IS NOT ENDORSEMENT. You can get away with speeding, but that does not make speeding legal. As I have said, if there is a fire downtown and all the cops are there directing traffic, the lack of patrols at the Mall is not an open invitation to rob the jewelry store. ... not even if other people are doing it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 705562, member: 57463"]1. I was invited by one of the participants. 2. I have two degrees not 47, one in criminal justice and another in criminology; and I assure you that counterfeiting is criminal. I agree. As I said, you can be innocently in possession. The object may be seized, but you will not be punished. That said ... [B](1) -- Whoever keeps in possession shall be fined or imprisoned.[/B] TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 25 - COUNTERFEITING AND FORGERY Sec. 472. Uttering counterfeit obligations or securities Whoever, with intent to defraud, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or with like intent brings into the United States or keeps in possession or conceals any falsely made, forged, counterfeited, or altered obligation or other security of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both [B](2) Whoever possesses or in any other manner uses shall be fined.[/B] TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 25 - COUNTERFEITING AND FORGERY Sec. 489. Making or possessing likeness of coins Whoever, within the United States, makes or brings therein from any foreign country, or possesses with intent to sell, give away, or in any other manner uses the same, except under authority of the Secretary of the Treasury or other proper officer of the United States, any token, disk, or device in the likeness or similitude as to design, color, or the inscription thereon of any of the coins of the United States or of any foreign country issued as money, either under the authority of the United States or under the authority of any foreign government shall be fined under this title. [B](3) All counterfeits shall be forfeited[/B] TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 25 - COUNTERFEITING AND FORGERY Sec. 492. Forfeiture of counterfeit paraphernalia All counterfeits of any coins or obligations or other securities of the United States or of any foreign government, or any articles, devices, and other things made, possessed, or used in violation of this chapter or of sections 331-333, 335, 336, 642 or 1720, of this title, or any material or apparatus used or fitted or intended to be used, in the making of such counterfeits, articles, devices or things, found in the possession of any person without authority from the Secretary of the Treasury or other proper officer, shall be forfeited to the United States. Whoever, having the custody or control of any such counterfeits, material, apparatus, articles, devices, or other things, fails or refuses to surrender possession thereof upon request by any authorized agent of the Treasury Department, or other proper officer, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. I point out that LACK OF ENFORCEMENT IS NOT ENDORSEMENT. You can get away with speeding, but that does not make speeding legal. As I have said, if there is a fire downtown and all the cops are there directing traffic, the lack of patrols at the Mall is not an open invitation to rob the jewelry store. ... not even if other people are doing it.[/QUOTE]
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