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<p>[QUOTE="tmoneyeagles, post: 2763054, member: 17557"]Yeah, one has about the same level of security buying incused gold Indians raw as they do trade dollars. I've owned several of these over the years and am still not comfortable buying them raw. Doesn't help that grading them can be a real nuisance as well.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is the obverse of the OP's coin pitted against one of an authentic example.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/zfFwNCo.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>The most obvious thing that pops out to me is the date. The nine seems ok on the counterfeit version save maybe the height. But both of the number ones and the number three are problematic. </p><p>- The three is the most obvious, look at the bottom curvature and compare it to the authentic example--it looks like it was drawn by a first grader. </p><p>- The second one is far too straight, there should be some degree of curvature on both long sides of the one, resembling a concave lens. </p><p>- The first one looks correct at its top half, but it straightens out as it goes toward the edge.</p><p><br /></p><p>If given a higher resolution photo from the OP, I'd imagine we'd see problems with the "B.L.P." as well, particularly with the "B."</p><p><br /></p><p>The "I" in LIBERTY exhibits the same issues as the number ones in the date. </p><p><br /></p><p>The star closest to the three isn't even complete!</p><p><br /></p><p>I agree with [USER=20480]@ToughCOINS[/USER] that something is a-brewing in the neck area. I don't typically deal in lower grade examples, but the patina seems off. I'm not digging that darker outline that surrounds the chief, and there are bursts of bright gold color in the headdress (possibly putty job). The star closest to the "Y" in LIBERTY definitely looks puttied to me, as does the fourth star on that side. </p><p><br /></p><p>The touch ups don't make it a counterfeit, as I'm sure you know that this series has authentic examples that are altered to hide rub, but they certainly seem incriminating with all the other issues.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="tmoneyeagles, post: 2763054, member: 17557"]Yeah, one has about the same level of security buying incused gold Indians raw as they do trade dollars. I've owned several of these over the years and am still not comfortable buying them raw. Doesn't help that grading them can be a real nuisance as well. Here is the obverse of the OP's coin pitted against one of an authentic example. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zfFwNCo.jpg[/IMG] The most obvious thing that pops out to me is the date. The nine seems ok on the counterfeit version save maybe the height. But both of the number ones and the number three are problematic. - The three is the most obvious, look at the bottom curvature and compare it to the authentic example--it looks like it was drawn by a first grader. - The second one is far too straight, there should be some degree of curvature on both long sides of the one, resembling a concave lens. - The first one looks correct at its top half, but it straightens out as it goes toward the edge. If given a higher resolution photo from the OP, I'd imagine we'd see problems with the "B.L.P." as well, particularly with the "B." The "I" in LIBERTY exhibits the same issues as the number ones in the date. The star closest to the three isn't even complete! I agree with [USER=20480]@ToughCOINS[/USER] that something is a-brewing in the neck area. I don't typically deal in lower grade examples, but the patina seems off. I'm not digging that darker outline that surrounds the chief, and there are bursts of bright gold color in the headdress (possibly putty job). The star closest to the "Y" in LIBERTY definitely looks puttied to me, as does the fourth star on that side. The touch ups don't make it a counterfeit, as I'm sure you know that this series has authentic examples that are altered to hide rub, but they certainly seem incriminating with all the other issues.[/QUOTE]
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