Counterfeit $20 St Gaudens?

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Looks genuine

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  1. Garlicus

    Garlicus Debt is dumb, cash is king.

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  3. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    The dots connecting the two sides together look too big.
     
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  4. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Doesn't accept returns - another red flag.
     
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  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

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  6. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    The coin doesn't even look MS!
     
  7. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    There is absolutely no point in even considering buying a coin like that from an overseas seller with less than a stellar record. I can’t tell from those pictures whether the coin is genuine, but the hologram does look off.
     
  8. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Fake, of course.
    The coin looks AU and is a counterfeit.
    Slab don't match, too.
     
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  9. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Why would the seller let a $5000 coin go for less than 25% of its value? Why does the coin look low AU while the label says MS65? 3 negative/neutral feedbacks with only 50 transactions so far? It’s not a PCGS secure slab, so we don’t have online pictures for comparison. Slab looks off anyways. Boy, way too many problems and I didn’t even have a closer look at the coin itself....
     
  10. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    No sir.... You are not the only one that thinks this coin looks wrong!
     
  11. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Both halves of the slab have conspicuous lands for ejector pins from the injection molding tools. I don't recall seeing those on any of the PCGS holders.
     
  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Fake coin. The color and luster are all wrong, especially for an “MS-65.” From the sub-par photos, done that way for a reason, it looks AU.

    Getting a matching certification number is easy. You just copy it from a real coin with the same date and mint mark. The rest, fake slab and coin, is harder.
     
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  13. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    I’d say 1) cast/fake coin 2) self-slab holder but maybe 3) a genuine label... or a pretty good copy.

    Auction ended a couple of hours ago and 64 (!) bids were made - way too many even if half of them were shill bids. Somebody made a big mistake today.
     
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  14. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    Too bad the pictures aren't better so we could get more education about the nature of the fake. Certainly doesn't look right.
     
  15. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    1) Not an unc.
    2) Liberty looks ugly.

    Fake, fake, fake
     
  16. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here are cropped photos for you. They are a little fuzzy, but it shows missing center details which makes this piece a pretty bad casting.

    1908-D $20 fake O Close.png 1908-D $20 fake R Close.png

    Every time you see bad photos in a coin offering on the Internet, an alarm bell should go off in your head. They are too often bad for a reason that won't do you any good.
     
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  17. khalil elara

    khalil elara Active Member

    how come u said it look fake to u and the number checked with PCGS DADA BASE IS GOOD??????????????
     
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  18. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Because the coin looks fake. Doesn’t matter what the slab says; I didn’t even check the database. I didn’t even look long at the slab, which is also an obvious fake.
     
  19. FrankHKP7

    FrankHKP7 Active Member

    It's not that difficult to look up the coin SN on PCGS...
     
  20. khalil elara

    khalil elara Active Member

    I KNOW THAT BUT if it is fake how it could fool the expert at pcgs i like to know is every slab of pcgs is fake ??????!!!!!!!!!
     
  21. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    What someone did was make a new label for a coin that is already graded. The real graded coin is somewhere out there still in the real slab. This is a copy.
     
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