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Message:: [QUOTE="SuperDave, post: 2481873, member: 1892"]These are first and foremost, by far the most important factors in evaluating 1909-S VDB specimens. The "serifs" are completely wrong, likely visible to the naked eye. The MM on your coin doesn't even *have* serifs, much less the nicely-parallel ones of the real deal. Further, the position isn't even close to the 4 known MM positions, which ought to be memorized by anyone looking at or for this coin. The example rlm posted above is the closest to the OP coin, the only one of the 4 which is that low; the others are all even with or above a line drawn through the bottom of the 9's in the date. Also, that MM is the least-rotated of the bunch, and just seeing the rotation on the OP coin would be enough on its' own to call it counterfeit. Here's the coin image, rotated and desaturated to make the problems clearer: [ATTACH=full]524023[/ATTACH] No need to teach those details for this coin; just teach the broader fact that these details are known and can be learned. That's a bigger-picture concept which applies to just about every coin which can be counterfeited, and in and of itself will disqualify 99 out of 100 counterfeits immediately. The information is out there, all you have to do is go learn it.[/QUOTE]