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<p>[QUOTE="Jack D. Young, post: 3570282, member: 93371"]This is much of the latest research article to be submitted to Coin Week and if published would be the 20th edition of that series...</p><p><br /></p><p>The 1849 is the second silver dollar in this series after the previously documented 1836 Gobrecht fakes and is also another of the holed and repaired varieties. In fact the two raw examples were listed by their respective sellers as “Hole Repair”, which aided in the search not only for these but also several other denominations/ varieties- kind of a reoccurring theme or M.O. for these counterfeiters!</p><p><br /></p><p>Like many of the counterfeits we have researched in this series this particular date and variety was listed in a past suspect group of certified “coins” ranging from a couple of now well documented early half cents through the 1927-S Standing Liberty Quarter and several Liberty Seated and Trade Dollars.</p><p><br /></p><p>The interesting spin on the subject example was how it was “discovered” over the Holidays in 2016. I had just compared the available images of the 1st one with a genuine example noting the obvious differences- the odd nonparallel damaged shield lines readily stood out as a possible key to finding more. My Son-in-law was visiting at the time and as I explained the process I followed with him I pulled up images of a second example from another certified group and to our amazement this one matched the odd shield lines exactly! Who could have scripted that? The search was then on for more examples with the hope of actually finding the source coin for the dies.</p><p><br /></p><p>Quick review of these first two shows a couple of common features on the reverse to help attribute them.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]950719[/ATTACH]</p><p> Obv example # 4 and example # 5</p><p>[ATTACH=full]950720[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]950722[/ATTACH] </p><p> Rev example # 4 and example # 5</p><p><br /></p><p>Continued searching quickly resulted in a third certified example found, again determined by comparing the odd shield features.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]950723[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p> Example # 3</p><p><br /></p><p>I then developed the following composite of these three to highlight the common shield “defects” with a rather clumsy numbering system to show they lined up.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]950724[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>From here I solicited the help of friend to actually run overlays of the coin images to better illustrate the common marks.</p><p><br /></p><p>The following images compare example # 3 to #4 and then to #5- and the shield features line up along with other features</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]950729[/ATTACH] </p><p> Reverse Overlays</p><p><br /></p><p>And as is always the case when comparing more examples a second defining feature emerged, the one I refer to as the “Dotted A”!</p><p><br /></p><p> [ATTACH=full]950730[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p> “Dot” over “A” example # 3</p><p><br /></p><p>I reviewed my findings with some friends in the Liberty Seated Collectors Club and verified there are no known 1849 Seated Dollar varieties with the dotted A, yet here are three subject examples that do!</p><p><br /></p><p>And the search for images of additional examples continued, resulting in discovering an interesting raw example.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]950732[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p> Example # 1</p><p><br /></p><p>The images are poor and grainy with no definition in the shield features but what caught my attention (besides the obvious large hole!) was a number of dents on the reverse. And if this “variety” follows previous ones in this continuing research then more scrutiny is warranted to determine if this could be the damaged source coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>The following images show this example compared to example # 3 and a genuine example for reference. It is difficult to verify if the dot over the A is present due to the poor image quality but the obvious dent does appear to match.</p><p><br /></p><p>And as expected the genuine example shows no indication of the dot.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]950734[/ATTACH] </p><p>Focusing on the damaged area it is apparent that after the hole repair the “E” would need to be re-engraved, and the image shows a rather crude letter on example # 3 versus a genuine one.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]950735[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>And since I am limited to 10 images I will have to continue with part II![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jack D. Young, post: 3570282, member: 93371"]This is much of the latest research article to be submitted to Coin Week and if published would be the 20th edition of that series... The 1849 is the second silver dollar in this series after the previously documented 1836 Gobrecht fakes and is also another of the holed and repaired varieties. In fact the two raw examples were listed by their respective sellers as “Hole Repair”, which aided in the search not only for these but also several other denominations/ varieties- kind of a reoccurring theme or M.O. for these counterfeiters! Like many of the counterfeits we have researched in this series this particular date and variety was listed in a past suspect group of certified “coins” ranging from a couple of now well documented early half cents through the 1927-S Standing Liberty Quarter and several Liberty Seated and Trade Dollars. The interesting spin on the subject example was how it was “discovered” over the Holidays in 2016. I had just compared the available images of the 1st one with a genuine example noting the obvious differences- the odd nonparallel damaged shield lines readily stood out as a possible key to finding more. My Son-in-law was visiting at the time and as I explained the process I followed with him I pulled up images of a second example from another certified group and to our amazement this one matched the odd shield lines exactly! Who could have scripted that? The search was then on for more examples with the hope of actually finding the source coin for the dies. Quick review of these first two shows a couple of common features on the reverse to help attribute them. [ATTACH=full]950719[/ATTACH] Obv example # 4 and example # 5 [ATTACH=full]950720[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]950722[/ATTACH] Rev example # 4 and example # 5 Continued searching quickly resulted in a third certified example found, again determined by comparing the odd shield features. [ATTACH=full]950723[/ATTACH] Example # 3 I then developed the following composite of these three to highlight the common shield “defects” with a rather clumsy numbering system to show they lined up. [ATTACH=full]950724[/ATTACH] From here I solicited the help of friend to actually run overlays of the coin images to better illustrate the common marks. The following images compare example # 3 to #4 and then to #5- and the shield features line up along with other features [ATTACH=full]950729[/ATTACH] Reverse Overlays And as is always the case when comparing more examples a second defining feature emerged, the one I refer to as the “Dotted A”! [ATTACH=full]950730[/ATTACH] “Dot” over “A” example # 3 I reviewed my findings with some friends in the Liberty Seated Collectors Club and verified there are no known 1849 Seated Dollar varieties with the dotted A, yet here are three subject examples that do! And the search for images of additional examples continued, resulting in discovering an interesting raw example. [ATTACH=full]950732[/ATTACH] Example # 1 The images are poor and grainy with no definition in the shield features but what caught my attention (besides the obvious large hole!) was a number of dents on the reverse. And if this “variety” follows previous ones in this continuing research then more scrutiny is warranted to determine if this could be the damaged source coin. The following images show this example compared to example # 3 and a genuine example for reference. It is difficult to verify if the dot over the A is present due to the poor image quality but the obvious dent does appear to match. And as expected the genuine example shows no indication of the dot. [ATTACH=full]950734[/ATTACH] Focusing on the damaged area it is apparent that after the hole repair the “E” would need to be re-engraved, and the image shows a rather crude letter on example # 3 versus a genuine one. [ATTACH=full]950735[/ATTACH] And since I am limited to 10 images I will have to continue with part II![/QUOTE]
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