Could congress get any dumber?

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  1. Vroomer2

    Vroomer2 Active Member

    Yes. Congress can get dumber.

    Why? Because we elect them.
    When the un-educated vote, this is what happens.
    When the CNN-FOX-Sound-bite-fed vote, this is what happens.

    The stupidity of the people in the world NEVER ceases to amaze me. People are the smarest AND dumbest things on this planet Earth.


    There, I answered the OP's post. :) Where's my cookie?!?
     
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  3. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Why not just stop making $1 and $2 dollar bills and force us all to use those darn stockpiled Presidential coins? Keep the other dollar bills starting with the $5 but force us to use the dollar coins? It's not rocket science here, then to keep coin collector's happy, keep making the President dollar coins and be done with it already. :thumb:
     
  4. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    They could compromise on this and only make proof and uncirculated dollar coins for collector sets, and stop production of business strikes for general circulation.
     
  5. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    As wioth ANYTHING where two options are provided, folks will ALWAYS choose the most convenient and easy to use option.

    At this point in time regarding OUR UNITED STATES economy, convenience should NOT be an option over actually "saving money".

    In My Opinion, as soon as a dollar coin was produced, regardless of which coin you refer to (IKE, SBA, Sacagawea, Presidential), the dollar bill presses should have been STOPPED. Continuing to produce both in the hopes that your typical individual will choose the most "cost effective" alternative shows a basic ignorance regarding typical human response.

    Until the One Dollar Federal Reserve Note is eliminated, the one dollar coin will only be used by coin collectors. And thats all there is to it.

    Write your Congressperson and State Senator. Let your voice be heard.
     
  6. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    It's foolish to even think that there will EVER be a NEED for one dollar coins in day to day commerce when there is a one dollar bill.

    How many coin collectors actually ask for one dollar coins when they receive their change at the local supermarket or fast food joint?
     
  7. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Wow! Absolutely perfect Logic! Add another "layer" of Government to an already "top heavy" Government!

    But at least folks would have someone to blame right?

    The solution is glaringly obvious and so simple that folks simply cannot see it. Eliminate the choice by eliminating the One Dollar note and the deman for coins would be there.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    They see it, they always have seen it. With they being the govt.

    But the thing is if they remove the 1 dollar bill - people (the voters) will not be happy. And that scares the politicians. So it will never happen.
     
  9. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Of course, you're implying that "voters" are currently "happy" and quite truthfully, as long as you or anybody else entertains this position, then nothing will get changed and the country itself will get exactly what it deserves. Bankruptcy and a comfortable position at the bottom of the World Economic Heap.

    And in direct response to the OP's question "Could Congress get any dumber?": It does not really matter since Congress is in a position of supposed elected authority which translates directly into "POWER". It, as a whole, will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants and to **** with the voters. As a powerful organization, they do have that option and are not afraid to use it.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'm not implying anything, I'm saying flat out that the large majority of the American public like using dollar bills and absolutely hate using $1 coins. It has been that way since the mint was founded and it has never changed. There has never in the history of our nation been a $1 coin that readily circulated and was liked by the public.

    In previous years, the public hated the $1 coins because they were too big. That was why the the small dollar coin was invented back in 1979. Well big surprise, the public still hated the $1 coin. And they still hate them today.

    Yes, Congress knows this, they always have known it. They have spent millions of dollars doing studies over many different years to confirm it. But yes, just like you say, they do what they want anyway.

    Yes, they are stupid. And they are stupid because they keep on trying the same thing over and over again. And anybody that is stupid enough to do the very same thing that has failed miserably countless times before is doomed to failure before they even begin.

    Will they ever change - I doubt it. Because if they announced that the $1 dollar bill was going to be discontinued and that the public would be forced to use the $1 coin, there would be an uproar the likes of which we have never seen by the American public !

    And even Congress is not stupid enough to risk that.
     
  11. Porsche2007

    Porsche2007 Senior Member

    I believe that the majority of the American public can't even recall a 1$ coin's design from memory; therefore, they probably don't hate 1$ coins.

    I suppose that there will be an uproar, however, it will get settled with tranquility.
     
  12. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Congress can always get dumber. They prove it with every new Congress.
     
  13. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Let them cry! Yes, people will complain, but then they will adjust to the change.....like any other change. Soon the $1 note will be forgotten.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't disagree at all. Problem is, Congress does.
     
  15. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Let'em whine. They'll get over it. Pull the paper.
     
  16. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    ""Could congress get any dumber?""

    Of course they can.......
    :dead-horse:
     
  17. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Some of what you've stated is true while the rest is unfounded. The American Public has NEVER been in a position to qualify the term "hate" since they've never been in a position where all they ever received in change was a One Dollar coin. The "hate" term is becoming quite boring since it simply is not true.

    When I was a boy, folks were quire enamored with finding large Morgan or Peace Dollars at the local grocery stores and those coins quickly disappeared into private "collections". While at the bank just last Friday, I asked if they had any of the old Large Dollar coins and the teller stated that when they do get them, they disappear rather quickly as it seems that folks are STILL enamored with the large dollar coins. This includes Eosenhower Dollars. I don't think that this translates very well into HATE. What I do think is that folks will accept whatever change is given them as long as:

    1. It's the correct amount
    2. It's spendable

    Since merchants, both large and small do not give out dollar coins as change but instead "continue" to order Federal Reserve Notes to give out, the general public has simply never had the opportunity to implement dollar coins in their daily transactions and as such cannot emphatically state that they "hate" dollar coins.

    The recent Federal Reserve report regarding dollar coins cited a "Harris Poll", not a Federally Funded Study. Federally Funded Studies show that eliminating the dollar bill for the dollar coin will "save" money. The Federal Reserve report specifically stated:

    "We also note that a 2008 Harris Poll found that more than threefourths of people questioned continue to prefer the $1 note."

    http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/rptcongress/dollarcoin/2011/dollarcoin2011.pdf

    while not trying to imply anything and since I did not participate in the poll, I can only imagine the replies to the following question:

    "Which would you pefer to use. A One Dollar Note or a One Dollar coin?"

    For me, I would prefer the One Dollar Note but then I would also "prefer" to NOT have to pay Income Taxes! (Speaking solely about things folks actually HATE!)

    Very Stupid since the REAL stupidity is not in submitting a bill to eliminate the coin but in NOT even "considering" eliminating the dollar bill.

    I seriously doubt this and it really is only speculation. As I stated earlier, I don't think the general "public" cares nearly as much as large merchants whos would have to change their monetary orders and perhaps actually "train" cashiers to use the dollar coins.

    Congress is stupid for NOT addressing this and simply "assuming" it would be political suicide.

    With the right wording, damn near ANYTHING can get passed by Congress but all of the wording I've read so far, has been mothing more than the same old pointless arguments about how people "HATE" dollar coins, how people don't want to carry a bunch of dollar coins in their pockets (like they each walk around with 25 one dollars bills in their pockets :) ), and who are we ever gonna tip the strippers!

    All pointless and designed specifically to defeat the one dollar coin by implication.

    I've yet to see one person in authority step up and actually state that the Federal Government has applied $1.7 billion dollars toward the national deficit by producing one dollar coins. Instead, they choose to concentrate on the fact that the Federal Reserve has paid $650,000 to construct additional storage. (Of course my question to this is that $650,000 sure could not REALLY buy a very secure storage facility but thats a different subject! I mean, $650,000 in Dallas Texas would barely cover sidewalk space!)

    Personally, I think the the Federal Reserve Bank, which is a privately funded organization and not OWNED by the Federal Government any more than Federal Express is, can see the writing on the wall where the US Mint Produces one dollar coins at .31 each and then "sells" them to the Federal Reserve Bank INSTEAD og the Federal Reserve Bank "selling" one dollar notes to the Federal Government.
     
  18. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I don't know how anyone could call Congress dumb.

    They fly all over the world on our money.

    They make telephone calls all over the world on our money.

    They get a pension that is one heck of a lot more than the average taxpayer gets after only 6 years without paying one dime into it.

    They get to vote for their own pay increases.

    That's pretty smart if you ask me!

    Chris
     
  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    What does Jim M got in his signiture line? Oh yeah.........

    "BOTH POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!"

    Not getting political. Just plugging pampers.....
     
  20. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    That's what I say, heck tell the people who don't like it that the gov't has a huge deficit and it will help us to just start using the coin. Sounds simple enough to me. :yes:
     
  21. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    So they did something stupid and made the SBA dollar too close in size and appereance to the quarter and the public was justified in not accepting them. Todays dollars are bigger in diameter(but not too big), thicker and a different color, so all those excuses don't hold water anymore.

    I would be curious to know that when they do surveys on whether people prefer paper or coins, do they first explain how much money could be saved the taxpayers by going to coins? It very well might change the results.

    Given todays economic situation people are much more aware of government spending and budget deficit issues and I just don't see that it would create the huge uproar that some others do. There are too many more important issues today and I don't think it's a big enough reason for someone to not vote for a congressman on this issue alone. It's the right thing to do to eliminate the paper dollar, just do it.
     
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