Correct me if I am wrong, but these are not the same coins - eBay Scam

I think I'd have to agree with @jwitten on this one - less than 100 feedback, multiple listings with same photos, listing shows UNC coins but you get damaged circulated coins, seller doesn't seem to notice that their listings have major problems?

That seems like someone who either:

...has no idea what they were doing (even then, I'm not buying it, because if you handed me two collectible belt buckles to list on eBay I wouldn't post both listings with one photo of a different, nicer belt buckle. Where are those coins (the ones in the pictures?)

...is intentionally bait/switching people. Multiple times. I would personally be concerned that the coins I received weren't even genuine. Have you weighed/magnet tested them?

You guys know I'm mostly a pretty pragmatic guy...but so far this stinks worse than an old guy wandering around a flea market with a full load in the back of his pants.

 

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FWIW, this listing shows an available quantity of 2 - meaning you might have guessed you wouldn't get the coin in the photos. Now, that was an earlier listing, maybe you won the second listing with that same photo...but fishy.

Also, the seller knows to include words like "uncirculated" "key date" "lustrous" "ultra high relief strike" but doesn't think you'll notice the difference between what was listed and what you got (clearly not uncirculated.) Hmm. I'm not buying it at all right now.

 

I'm not convinced it was intentional. At least one listing has multiple available which means stock photo or possibly the other coin. But I also feel anytime something is kept that indicates a level of satisfaction that rises above leaving a neg even if you won't buy from them again

 

I am aware. I explicitly asked the seller if both coins looked exactly like the picture, to which he replied "yes." So I bought. And I will be returning this one.

The other I figured I might get an AU with photos juiced to look UNC (which I did), so I won't be too harsh on that one. I really hate returning coins.

The worst that will happen with feedback is a Neutral.

 

That’s interesting information...which leads me to believe it was entirely intentional/the seller knows what they were doing. I wouldn’t keep either coin (but obviously do what you feel makes you happy.)

I’m probably in the neutral camp on this one, at the very least.

 

But if he had one picture for two coins, of COURSE he knew he was shipping a different coin than pictured. Thus, deceiving. This is the type of coin selling that needs to stop on ebay. A negative might help that.

 

That's definitely not something that should get a negative. If more than one is available it's understood the photo is just a stock photo that should be representative. One of the buyers may end up with the stock photo coin but obvious not every buyer could. That's a well accepted practice in coins. You obviously are getting a stock photo ordering from many dealers with many items. It's not just an eBay thing either, that is practiced on dealer websites all over the place.

 

Except it is not allowed on ebay.

 

Especially raw coins.

 

Photos are different and superior to what you received (on both coins). You even went as far as to ask if the coins in the photos are the ones you will receive and they replied with "yes". I don't think there is anything else to think about. Open a SNAD case and be sure to have them pay for return shipping since it was their fault and not yours.

I won't make any suggestions on feedback because I don't know your situation. Despite being helpful to the community and harmful to the scammer, I know some buyers shy away from leaving negative feedback because they prefer to limit the motivation for retaliation as much as possible. If you aren't already...

1) use separate accounts for buying and selling (eBay allows this)
2) use a PO Box or Personal/Private mailing address
3) buy only from reputable, well established sellers

 

Neither is sellers having a watermark in their photos but I wouldn't neg one of them for that either.

 

If the seller is going to use a stock photo on a listing with multiple quantity, then they

A) Need to state that the photo is a stock photo
B) Have all the items be of VERY SIMILAR appearance to the one in stock photo

They should also not tell buyers they will receive the coin in the photo when asked.

 

Well ya, watermark doesn't effect me as a buyer at all. Me receiving a crappy coin when a great coin is shown does.

 

True, but if there's more than 1 available I already know that the picture can't be every coin there. I have in the past asked if the pictured stock photo was available and if I could be assured of getting it, but otherwise on higher value coins I stay away from raw stock photo listings.

 

Exactly.

As long as the seller isn't doing anything that could be deceitful (such as using a watermark on their photo), I don't see that as something that would justify negative feedback. On the other hand, using superior stock photos to sell inferior coins is something I think warrants negative feedback.

 

You might know it's possible to receive a coin that isn't the same as the one in photo, but if you received one in clearly inferior condition you wouldn't be pissed?

 

To be fair, they're also terms commonly used by those with just a vague familiarity with coins.

 

Saying there are 2 available of a raw coin is inviting a negative, for me. Send a crappy coin when a nice is pictured, you deserve a negative.

 

On the bright side, either of what you received - IMO - are better coins than the disfigured second one the seller pictured. That one looks like someone bounced a porcupine off her face.

 

"Bounced a porcupine off her face" now that's a visual I don't care to see!