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<p>[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 3154923, member: 46237"]They made a 49mm desk medal as well, though the designs are more elaborate than the smaller sizes. All in all the official coronation pieces look like this (Montenuovo numbers shown):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]809008[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Each of those 12 types was struck in bronze, silver, and gold, for 36 types in all (plus the mule I discovered, which is 2714/2716).</p><p><br /></p><p>The sizes of the coronation pieces were clearly based on the ducat for several reasons. The 20mm size of these issues were literally struck on 3.49g ducat planchets at the Vienna mint. It can be observed by relative mass that the 24mm size was then a 1 3/4 ducat, and the 49mm size was a 15 ducat.</p><p><br /></p><p>Planchets of the same size to these were prepared in bronze and silver for striking these types in alternate metals, however, these planchets bore no relation to existing types, and simply copied the sizes of the gold planchets. For this reason, when I first submitted these types to NGC I listed them on the submission form as "ducat struck in silver" etc., which I feel is a correct interpretation, but they just listed them as "silver".</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm not so concerned about the bronze and silver versions of these types though, and the 49mm is so large as to clearly be intended as a medal. My confusion is only regarding the 20mm and 24mm issues.</p><p><br /></p><p>I suppose the heart of my question is from where "ducatness" is derived:</p><ul> <li>Is any gold token officially struck by a mint rightly called a ducat by virtue of adhering to the ducat diameter/mass/purity specifications, or does it require intent by the issuing mint for it to be coinage?</li> <li>And by extension - if a mint that produced ducats then struck an official coronation piece on a ducat planchet, does that automatically make it a ducat in the sense of it being coinage?</li> </ul><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 3154923, member: 46237"]They made a 49mm desk medal as well, though the designs are more elaborate than the smaller sizes. All in all the official coronation pieces look like this (Montenuovo numbers shown): [ATTACH=full]809008[/ATTACH] Each of those 12 types was struck in bronze, silver, and gold, for 36 types in all (plus the mule I discovered, which is 2714/2716). The sizes of the coronation pieces were clearly based on the ducat for several reasons. The 20mm size of these issues were literally struck on 3.49g ducat planchets at the Vienna mint. It can be observed by relative mass that the 24mm size was then a 1 3/4 ducat, and the 49mm size was a 15 ducat. Planchets of the same size to these were prepared in bronze and silver for striking these types in alternate metals, however, these planchets bore no relation to existing types, and simply copied the sizes of the gold planchets. For this reason, when I first submitted these types to NGC I listed them on the submission form as "ducat struck in silver" etc., which I feel is a correct interpretation, but they just listed them as "silver". I'm not so concerned about the bronze and silver versions of these types though, and the 49mm is so large as to clearly be intended as a medal. My confusion is only regarding the 20mm and 24mm issues. I suppose the heart of my question is from where "ducatness" is derived: [LIST] [*]Is any gold token officially struck by a mint rightly called a ducat by virtue of adhering to the ducat diameter/mass/purity specifications, or does it require intent by the issuing mint for it to be coinage? [*]And by extension - if a mint that produced ducats then struck an official coronation piece on a ducat planchet, does that automatically make it a ducat in the sense of it being coinage? [/LIST][/QUOTE]
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