Copper barber dime with 180% rotation

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  1. Kevin wu

    Kevin wu Well-Known Member

    I Purchase this barber dime some years ago from eBay, it worn down very bad , someone even scratch surface to see if it was real copper, it also 180% rotation error , it badly shape but still nice one to keep .
     

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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    A US coin with that kind of rotation would be considered and called a Medallic Alignment Rotation. Nice one!
     
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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    You maybe know this already just wanted to share -

    Definition: Die rotation refers to the location of the "top" of the coin's image when the coin is turned over. For example, if you look at the obverse of a U.S. penny with Lincoln's head right-side up, and then turn the penny over from top to bottom, the building should be right side up on the reverse. This is called "coin alignment."

    On some commemoratives and nearly all medals, the alignment is the opposite.
    If you turn a medal over from top to bottom, the reverse will be upside down, because "medal alignment" requires that the coin reverse be right-side up when the coin is turned from side to side (rather than from top to bottom.) The reason for medal alignment being different is that medals are frequently hung on ribbons or chains, and if the medal gets turned over, the wearer wouldn't want his medal to look upside down.

    So on a medallic alignment such as your coin both Obverse and Reverse faces right side up.
     
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  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Cool coin, except that Barber dimes weren't made out of copper. I'm guessing it's toning?
     
  6. Kevin wu

    Kevin wu Well-Known Member

    I believe it struck on cent planchet And both Obverse and Reverse faces right side up if turn over .
     
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  7. ace71499

    ace71499 Young Numismatic

    AMAZING COIN!
     
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  8. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    How would a cent planchet fit into a dime collar?











    Anyone saying 'shoehorn' gets a slap. :D
     
  9. sambyrd44

    sambyrd44 Well-Known Member

    it may be a contemporary counterfeit that would of been plated.
     
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  10. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    If it was struck on a cent planchet, it would be the size of a cent. How does it compare in size?
     
  11. Kevin wu

    Kevin wu Well-Known Member

    I don't compare size yet I will try compare tonight
     
  12. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Which makes me ask, how would dime dies get put on a cent press?
     
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  13. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    There are plenty of coins minted on wrong planchets. I don't know the process well enough to explain how it happens perfectly, but the dime die is not put on the cent press. A cent planchet gets put in with the dime press with other dime planchets.
     
  14. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    A cent planchet, being larger than a dime planchet, cannot possibly fit into a dime collar, making your theory impossible. That dime is plated, heavily toned or environmentally damaged.
     
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  15. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    I don't think it is a dime on a cent planchet. I am just saying things happen all the time. There are plenty of nickels struck on cent planchets. Half dollars on nickel planchets. All kinds of stuff happen. I don't understand the process, but there is crazy stuff out there.
     
  16. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Nickel on cent planchet can happen because a cent planchet is smaller than a nickel planchet and will fit in the press, etc.
     
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  17. ace71499

    ace71499 Young Numismatic

    Couldn't you just take it out of the holder and GENTLY drop it to hear how it sounds. There are distinct differences in sound between silver and copper.
     
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  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The first thing you do is weigh the coin. I don't think it's possible for a cent to be struck with dime dies.
     
  19. Kevin wu

    Kevin wu Well-Known Member

    Yeah I weight it before and I forget what weight on it , I will weight it again and took it out from 2x2 to take better pictures
     
  20. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    I follow you now. After some research, I can't find any evidence of a smaller coin on a bigger planchet. It's always the other way around. I had never thought of it in reverse.
     
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  21. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Very good, grasshopper.
     
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