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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;krispy, post: 634936, member: 19065&quot;]Thanks <a href="http://www.cointalk.com/forum/members/drusus/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/forum/members/drusus/">Drusus</a>. I&#039;ve been running into a lot of folks with shockingly limited views in terms of defining counter-stamped, carved or otherwise intentionally altered coins and currency in this CT thread. Of course they are collectively wowed by the novelty of the hobo coins and equally discriminate against counter-stamped coins almost 100%. It&#039;s easier for them to appreciate the hand work of a hobo coin as well as the fully altered coin as opposed to the superfiscial defacing initial quality they are responding to in a counter-stamped coin. Truly it is sad that those centered on US coin &amp; currency collecting, especially those fixated on values, slabbing and grades have such a limited understanding of world coinage and global numismatic history, eg. your examples of altered ancients and their reception in those circles. I sense they feel that US coin history is somehow in a different universe than the centuries and millenia of coin history that came before. I suppose it is also particularly indicative of the typical naivety and close-mindedness that one often senses or is shown by many people from the US in many different international matters. I am a US citizen and US coin collector with world coin interests, and I abhor that attitude. It&#039;s childish and defensive. </p><p><br /></p><p>In this thread I&#039;ve attempted to point out the potential, &#039;eventual&#039; growth of interest and potential future value in these coins for future generations as well as underscoring that these type of coins DO deserve and need (actually already have) numismatic distinction that is not dismissive, precisely so they are fully understood by the greater community of collectors (and graders) and as such they will not cross into the strictest of technologically and flawlessly graded coins like those of the modern marketed commemorative coins, proofs and uncs. produced by modern government operated mints for coins meant to be collected and never circulate, but also protected by these terms are those coins that grade high or trade for premiums based on conditions deviated from original minting due to varying degrees of wear. The same attitude of appreciation via grading of unique coin/exonumia can and should be embraced, defined and understood considering altered, counter-stamped and carved coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m just asking that people expand their understanding, not to be subjected to any forced enjoyment of altered coins themselves or to limit others appreciation and valuation of these unique numismatic pieces.</p><p><br /></p><p>With that, I hope we will keep seeing more examples of Masonic pennies, tokens and any other altered coins. I&#039;d love to see some examples of ancient counter-stamped coins, especially those with hand work and re-engraved designs or reuse of existing minted coin utilized for other purposes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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