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Message:: [QUOTE="krispy, post: 629305, member: 19065"]I immensely dislike argument, yet I entertain debate. To be sure, it was I who declared these coins 'altered' from the very start! Via this thread, I have been requesting and seeking a term for these and other 'altered-coins' as one does not exist in traditional numismatics or grading, yet the base is a coin, a monetary unit. One user stepped up and offered 'counter-stamped' at one point in a thread about these coins. Everyone else has argued semantics of the 'hobby' and been rather dismissive to something already obviously not a part of numismatics, numismatic values and grading. The responders seem threatened that these coins were being pushed into the hobby... or into the business of coins. They were not. However, many have piqued curiosity by counter-stamped coinage even if trivial, a lot of people hold/collect these when found and more than a few users have posted curious variations and even turned up a very unique 1850s hand engraved design on an altered seated liberty. There coins pop up a lot here and they get little to no response. I requested the community offer some coins for view and some terms for consideration. I was met with a negative dismissive narrow-minded attitude and reception, which offered nothing to the original inquiry. That is not an argument, that's a review of the facts of this tread to date.[/QUOTE]