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<p>[QUOTE="brg5658, post: 2405058, member: 29751"]I think a lot of the OPs "gripe" is due to the area where he collects. A huge amount of the TPGs business is in the slabbing of uber-common bullion. In that arena, it's all smoke and mirrors, and arbitrary and unwarranted mark ups for the "magical" 70. If your goal is to hoard silver and gold bullion, then TPGs should never be a part of that equation IMO.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do personally think TPGs serve a purpose, but I am also of the philosophy that people take them too seriously and that micro-grading differences have really consumed the hyper-competitive registry players. There is often no defensible difference between an MS66 and MS67 graded classic silver coin, but the price tags could be multiples in difference. </p><p><br /></p><p>The crossover, regrading, maxing out, and registry games have filled the pockets of dealers who sell the "best of the best" -- think Legend Numismatics here where they sell PCGS graded coins only, and rave about how they are for the most discerning collectors. In reality, they provide investments for billionaires and millionaires who don't give one toot about numismatics, history, or the hobby. That model seems to have subsumed much of the hobby, and if you visit the PCGS coin forums, you will quickly see how many have drank the kool-aid.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have been slowly getting out of collecting USA coins. The prices are simply silly for inconsequential differences in assigned numerical grade. The vast majority of collectors have been hoodwinked into thinking the grade on the label is somehow magical and infallible. The TPGs have also been enablers of the madness that ensues after the US Mint releases a new "limited edition" trinket. For example, the new 2016 Gold Mercury Dime was followed by immediate flipping and hype, only worsened by the TPGs. The double-whammy US Mint / TPG machine really brings out the sleaziest of the hobby, and I just don't care to be a part of that.</p><p><br /></p><p>OK, rant over.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="brg5658, post: 2405058, member: 29751"]I think a lot of the OPs "gripe" is due to the area where he collects. A huge amount of the TPGs business is in the slabbing of uber-common bullion. In that arena, it's all smoke and mirrors, and arbitrary and unwarranted mark ups for the "magical" 70. If your goal is to hoard silver and gold bullion, then TPGs should never be a part of that equation IMO. I do personally think TPGs serve a purpose, but I am also of the philosophy that people take them too seriously and that micro-grading differences have really consumed the hyper-competitive registry players. There is often no defensible difference between an MS66 and MS67 graded classic silver coin, but the price tags could be multiples in difference. The crossover, regrading, maxing out, and registry games have filled the pockets of dealers who sell the "best of the best" -- think Legend Numismatics here where they sell PCGS graded coins only, and rave about how they are for the most discerning collectors. In reality, they provide investments for billionaires and millionaires who don't give one toot about numismatics, history, or the hobby. That model seems to have subsumed much of the hobby, and if you visit the PCGS coin forums, you will quickly see how many have drank the kool-aid. I have been slowly getting out of collecting USA coins. The prices are simply silly for inconsequential differences in assigned numerical grade. The vast majority of collectors have been hoodwinked into thinking the grade on the label is somehow magical and infallible. The TPGs have also been enablers of the madness that ensues after the US Mint releases a new "limited edition" trinket. For example, the new 2016 Gold Mercury Dime was followed by immediate flipping and hype, only worsened by the TPGs. The double-whammy US Mint / TPG machine really brings out the sleaziest of the hobby, and I just don't care to be a part of that. OK, rant over.[/QUOTE]
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