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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;cpm9ball, post: 1823408, member: 24633&quot;]If you still aren&#039;t convinced that the Braided Hair cent isn&#039;t PMD, then consider this........</p><p><br /></p><p>Let&#039;s assume that the obverse die was the hammer. (I believe it usually is the hammer die.) If there was no reverse die in place as the anvil, what was the planchet sitting on before striking?</p><p><br /></p><p>If the reverse die was supposed to be the hammer, but no reverse die was in place, the planchet could not have been struck to produce the obverse devices.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, note that the reverse does not have an up-turned rim, but since each planchet goes through the upsetting mill before striking, it suggests that it was ground away with the rest of the reverse.</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m in the PMD camp.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your Brazilian coin appears to be machine doubling. It looks &quot;flat and shelf-like&quot;.</p><p><br /></p><p>Chris[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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