Constantius II siliqua

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  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    I had collected late Roman coins quite a few years before I got my first siliqua. I was, and am, a big fan of late Roman AE, but I didn't expect to "do" siliquae. However, I recently added this one to my small group:


    Constantius II. 317-337-361.
    20 mm. 2.92 grams. Silver siliqua.
    CONSTANTI-VS PF AVG, rosette-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front.
    Victory with wreath and palm, advancing left
    SIS upward crescent, dot within
    RIC VIII Siscia 162 struck "Spring 340 - 19 Jan 350"
    RSC Constantius II 230
    Sear V 17912.

    Formerly in an NGC slab, but that didn't last long. I don't think the slab helped sell it. It is not the high grade I think slab buyers want. But, I looked at the coin and liked the style and surfaces. I bought the coin, not the slab. By the way, NGC had it "VF, strike 3, surfaces 4."

    Show us a siliqua!
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Well, since you are @Valentinian I, then I thought I would toss in Valentinian II ! :)

    RI Valentinian II AD 375-392 AR Siliqua 18mm 1.8g Trier Victory wreath palm RIC IX 43
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Thanks a nice one, Warren. Sadly I own none in silver.
  5. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight I AM the Senate! Supporter

    Constantius II, Roman Empire
    AR siliqua
    Obv: D N CONSTAN-TIVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: VOTIS XXX / MVLTIS XXXX, all within wreath
    Mint: Sirmium
    Mintmark: SIRM
    Date: 357-361 AD
    Ref: RIC VIII 15
    Size: 3.31 gr, 22 mm wide

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  6. Pellinore

    Pellinore Supporter! Supporter

    This is my Frank S. Robinson incredibly cheap siliqua ($20), of Theodosius I.

    AR siliqua Theodosius I (379-395). Clipped. Obv. IVSPFAVG. Draped and cuirassed bust t.r. Rev. AAVGG. Concordia with helmeted head, seated on an elaborate throne. In exergue, ??. 13.5 mm, 1.29 gr.

    2847 Siliqua Theodo ct.jpg

    This one also comes from Frank, but from a regular auction. The picture is his, too. It was my first Roman siliqua, I quite like it, despite the edge.

    AR siliqua Honorius, Milan. Obv. DNHONORI-VSPFAVG. Draped and cuirassed bust t.r. Rev. VIRTVSRO-MANORVM. Roma seated left with little Victory in one hand and sceptre in the other. In exergue, MDPS. 15 mm, 1.29 gr.

    2843 Siliqua ct.jpg

    But there's also this one, I bought it from a CNG auction:

    Vandals. Gaiseric or Huneric, about 470-480. Pseudo imperial coinage. AR siliqua in the name of Honorius. Pseudo-Ravenna = Carthage. Obv. Diademed, draped and cuirassed bust to the right. DN HONORIVS P F AVG. Rev. Rome, holding a spear, sitting to the left on a cuirass, with Victoria on a globe. VRBS ROIIA. In exergue: RVPS. 14.5 mm, 1.7 gr.

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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    I suspect siliquae would be more popular if more of them had reverses that were more interesting than the few standard types. Mine are not of a grade to appeal to the slab collectors and not as interesting types as the AE coins that were issued at the same time. What they have that appeals is their silver. Imagine the demand for silver Falling Horsemen, hut types etc. Each mint does have its own distinctive style.
    Constantius II Arles

    Constantius II Thessalonika rx6550bb2241.jpg
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    I was just weighing the purchase of two separate Roman coins; one a denarius and the other a siliqua. I decided to wait a bit and come here to read random topics. The first one I opened was this.

    Have you just influenced me in favor of a siliqua? Maybe. We'll see. It is a denomination I've never owned.

    I'll post it if I buy it. ;)

    Edit- I passed, but it was a near thing.
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2020
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    @dougsmit - I find the toning on that first one quite appealing.
  10. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Couldn't we try a better dating than a 10 year period for such distinctive types? For instance, I'd think that @Valentinian's specimen in OP should be earlier in the period on account of weight and the headdress of the emperor's bust.

    Here is a Magnus Maximus from Northamptonshire, again with a generic dating of 383-388:

    Last edited: Feb 28, 2020
  11. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Constantius II
    AD 337-361. AR Siliqua (20mm, 1.77 g, 5h). Constantinople mint, 11th officina. Struck AD 351-355. Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right / VOTIS/XXX/MVLTIS/XXXX in four lines; all within wreath; C·IA. RIC VIII 102; RSC 342-3j. holed

  12. svessien

    svessien Senior Member Supporter

    I like the siliqua. They are among my favorite coins, although they are boring, prone to breaking (like mine), expensive and in a declining standard from they arrived. They still represent some kind of Roman civilization to me.

    Here is Constans with a large planchet (20mm, 3.25g) from 340 AD. It doesn't take many years before they start shrinking. The Constantius is 0.15g lighter. When we come to Theodosius, the weight is halved. (Weight should probably have been a little more on the Theodosius, because it has had a close shave.)

    Sear 17924 Constantius.jpg Sear 18495 Constans.jpg Sear 19674 Valens.jpg Theodosius I, 379 - 395 AD.jpg
  13. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Amen-Ra-Hotep

    Don't have any siliquae yet. I agree with Doug that the reverse types are a bit boring and that there probably would be more interest if they weren't. And, they cost more than the average denarius. I will probably add a tetrarchic argenteus to my collection before a siliqua.
  14. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    Here's my overgrown siliqua ... well actually a miliarense, of Valentinian (22mm, 4.3gms)
    Valentinian I Miliarense.jpg
  15. Tony1982

    Tony1982 Well-Known Member

    My first and only Siliqua, Gratian D2149957-B437-4250-84C7-288F5D7DE6AD.jpeg
    Gratian, AR Siliqua, Siscia, AD 375-378.

    DN GRATIANVS PF AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right.

    VOT XV MVLT XX in four lines within wreath, globe in badge at the top of the wreath.

    Mintmark SISCPS.

    RIC IX Siscia 19b1; Sear 19985; RSC 22c-f.
  16. Romancollector

    Romancollector Well-Known Member

    Here's one of my siliquae that I have not yet shared.

    Arcadius (383-408 AD)

    AR Siliqua


    Date: 392-395 AD
    Obv: DN ARCAPI-VS PF AVG (sic), pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev: VIRTVS RO-MANORVM, Roma seated left on cuirass, holding Victory on globe and inverted spear. Mintmark TRPS.
    Diameter: 16mm
    Weight: 1.6 grams
    RIC IX 106c
    Ex: Pegasi Numismatics
  17. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    Here's a Magnus Maximus with very dark toning.

    Magnus Maximus - AR Siliqua ex Michael Kelly 3010.jpg
    AR Siliqua. 2.06g, 16.8mm. Trier mint, AD 383-388. RIC IX 84b. O: D N MAG MAX-IMVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right. R: VIRTVS RO-MANORVM, Roma seated facing, head left, holding globe in right hand, scepter in left; TRPS in exergue.
    Ex Michael Kelly Collection
  18. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    That's a beauty! Magnus Maximus is not the most common of emperors.
  19. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    I agree, the reverse types of the more affordable Siliquae are quite boring and higher silver denominations are too rare to be within reach of most collectors. However, the portraits on Siliquae can be quite stunning and superior to portraits on bronzes. Here is an example from my collection. quality of this coin is overwhelming, excellent condition, nice toning and of course a great expressive portrait of Gratian:

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  20. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Here is a rather common Valens Siliqua. A lot of Siliquae were apparently issued under Valens. Here an example with youthful portrait:
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  21. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    another youthful Valens from my collection. Again the quality of this coin is difficult to top:

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    Last edited: Mar 1, 2020
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