Constantius II, a pain in the......

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by randygeki, Feb 24, 2018.

  1. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I got another FH in the mail today witn an "interesting spear puncture area" to quote Mat. I feel kinda bad for the horse.

    Constantius II
    DN CONSTAN-TIVS PF AVG Constantius II pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right, Delta behind.
    FEL TEMP RE-PARATIO soldier spearing Horseman, bare-headed, reaching, reaching
    ALEΓ in ex.
    Alexandria 75 var (headwear)

    I also picked this one up, nothing special but it took me a while to find oficina Theta. I'll have to check but I think I'm 14/15 oficina for Antioch. I need "AN Delta I" now.

    Constantius II
    AE 2, (5,39 g / 21 mm)
    obverse D N CONSTAN-TIVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right;
    reverse FEL TEMP RE-PARATIO, Gamma in left, soldier spearing Horseman,hair in braids, bearded, reaching back towards soldier, AN Theta in ex
    Antioch 132
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Surprised you saw the comment, but it’s true.

    Nice and painful additions.:eek:
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  4. Sallent

    Sallent Supporter! Supporter

    @randygeki that coin is so sweet. Constantius II has quite the long face, and the poor horse either had an unfortunate battlefield wound or the guy is a vet with a thermometer checking the temperature of the horse. I'd love to think it's the later rather than the former.
  5. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Either way, I'm sure the horse experienced discomfort :dead:
  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Odd Supporter


    That's pretty humiliating.
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Perhaps we might consider these an addition to FH1 through FH4 and invent a term for Roman the veterinary services shown. "Vaccinators?" I'm not sure what number it would get since we have so many other coins that show differences from the usual 1-4 types.:nurse:
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Odd Supporter

    Truth be told, I've always had difficulty discerning the difference between the fallen horseman and his mount. They always seem such a blobby mass with assorted limbs sticking out.
  9. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    We could use fh1-4 but add numbers and letters to indicate differences. Like FH 3.4A. :)

  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter in hoc signo vinces

    Cool coin @randygeki - I checked my FTR's and didn't find any with the horse being speared, so the veterinarians out there don't have to be worried. Not so sure about the horsemen though, those guys look like goners to me.
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  11. Steve C. Borger

    Steve C. Borger New Member

    I'd like to get some info on this coin.... Cannot find the M on any of the listed images here, but there are on some on the web. Can anyone give me the facts of this coin, time frame of coin and it's monetary value to the Romans, and today's value... Roman Head for web.jpg Roman Coin for web.jpg
  12. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    The M marked fallen horseman coins are late in the series, maybe after Gallus even. So I think your choices are it’s either Constantius II or Julian.... and with the diadem, it’s Constantius II.

    Oh and my guess at mint Mark may be ANE? Antioch... I have no idea if this is right but it seems to end in “ANE” **Edit addition: that would make this coin RIC 190.

    As for value... taking a wild guess:
    Ancient times=loaf of bread...
    Now=loaf of bread.
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2018 at 4:59 PM
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  13. Steve C. Borger

    Steve C. Borger New Member

    Thanks for the fast reply and I like the value quote... for then and now... got a chuckle from me.... Where did you see the ANE... If that is what is below the horse it looked more like AN and the symbol like the one on the FH3 image above....Not sure what the symbols stand for since all four in the image above are different...
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  14. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Yep, it’s actually not an “E” but the Greek letter epsilon. AN=Antioch, Epsilon=workshop 5 (A=1, B=2, Gamma=3, Delta=4, Epsilon=5). Also yes below the horse and rider at the bottom of the reverse.

    These coins are packed with fun little details.. you could (and many here do) spend years studying them!

    The FH1, FH2... images above... FH=fallen horseman=this type of coin or in the image’s case the actual position of the fallen horseman (ie: fallen, on his back, reaching, clutching the the horse.. etc.) Your’s is FH3 or reaching back at the guy spearing him.
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2018 at 5:59 PM
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  15. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian Supporter

    I like the Roman veterinarian idea. A well-armed Roman veterinarian. Taking the horse's temperature. That should make it PETA-friendly.
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  16. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Yeah Constantius II, RIC Antioch 190

  17. Steve C. Borger

    Steve C. Borger New Member

    Once again, I say thank you for that clarification....
    Shalom שלום
  18. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Two very interesting FH Randy! Congrats!
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  19. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES! Supporter

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