Confused Newbie Collectors - Missing Clad Layer Misinformation

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by paddyman98, Aug 16, 2026 at 8:40 AM.

  1. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Hello everyone,
    No Metal Detecting thread for this weekend. Saturday, I dedicated it to spend time with my 31-year-old son and 24-year-old daughter. Family time is important!
    We had lunch together then went to see Spiderman:Brand New Day. Great movie!

    I can now say that I have 41 years of collecting, studying and attributing true Mint Errors. But I prefer to call myself a specialist rather than an expert. The title of expert is for the likes of great guys such as Fred Weinberg and Mike Diamond!

    Here are two pictures I took with Fred several years apart.
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    Every once in a while, I admit I might give the wrong (Just once or twice :hilarious:) info or not know what the issue is. But I know enough to teach and explain those who are starting in the hobby of error and variety collecting.

    One of the issues that really annoys and worries me are new collectors who don't know much about true errors, and they assume that what they have is an error and even go as far as listing items on eBay with an error description. One of the most well-known items that I see listed are 'Missing Clad Layer' and Missing Clad Layers on both sides'.. horrendous! :meh:

    Here are two examples I did a screenshot of from eBay this morning :jawdrop:
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    It is so sad to see these listings because they are 100% incorrect and misleading :mad:

    The issue is actually Cupronickel clad coins with either long term Environmental Exposure or a reaction to a harsh chemical such as soda or coffee from a car cup holder.

    I sometimes send messages to these sellers to explain why their coin is not a Missing Clad Layer error. Some thank me and remove the listing, but most tell me to mind my own business and sometimes even curse me out. :confused:
    It is ridiculous the amount of people who just don't want to be taught or told that they are wrong and just want to scam new collectors.

    I have the same issue on many Facebook pages dedicated to Mint Errors and Varieties.
    I'm even a Moderator and known as a Top Contributor & Group Expert on some of the pages. But even there I get cursed, questioned on my expertise and even threatened o_O.. Losers is what they are unfortunately.

    I have tried to explain that what they think they have is not correct, I tell them the process of how Missing Clad Layer clad coins occur. But they still insist that they are correct and that I am wrong.

    I have even explained how Environmental Exposure affects the Cupronickel Clad coins and even Nickels that are totally composed of Cupronickel. Oh yea, they call Brown toned Nickels 'Struck on Penny Planchets' :facepalm:

    I have even told them that I have 16 years' experience in Metal Detecting and show them many examples of my clad coins and nickels that have Environmental Exposure toning :inpain:

    Here are many examples from my finds over the years. You can clearly see on the majority of the clad and nickels that the majority are toned :shifty:
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    Oh well, enough of my rant. I just hope that this thread can be used to show newbies and deniers to teach them a bit more of the issue whenever they post their clad coins asking if they are missing Clad Layer or even struck on incorrect planchet. :banghead:

    I also want to share this great information from the err-ref.com website
    Missing Full Clad Before Strike

    Thanks for reading and I'm sure many of you experienced error specialists have had the same issue trying to explain the difference to others :rolleyes:
     
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2026 at 8:54 AM

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