I agree. The type doesn't need to be disparaged. There is as much to collect and learn about as in any Roman series.
I don't follow... I always assumed 'gnarly' was used in the positive sense . Damn your confusing 'Murcan lingo!
It can have both connotations, much like "bad" can mean bad, or colloquially, really good. I was referring to the rough obverse, but no matter. We are simpatico - I have a drawer-full of rough rarities that I found numismatically interesting despite the fact that none of them would win any beauty pageants.
In fact, of all the types posted in this thread, that's the one I'm going to keep my eyes open for now!
Love all the posts..and mine are already among those above...so I'll resist the urge and not be duplicitous (that's a word, right? LOL) JA, that Diocletian double strike had me squinting and rubbing my eyes...I keep 'seeing' janiform heads, lions smoking cigars (RE: Bing) and monkeys on Poseidons arm ...I definitely need to see an eye doctor LOL
Sorry, I was just kidding around. Of course I knew in what way you meant it was gnarly. Even as I like beautiful coins, I do like my uglies too. Hrmm, but for the sake of everyone else, that statement should not be seen as encouragement for another 'Post your uglies' thread. That last one is still too recent.
While I might question why so many people want coins they consider boring, I really object to this one being posted in this thread. It is in horrid condition but it is not a Jupiter presenting something type and is a coin I would love to have if only it were a smooth fine. It is an interesting type. Of course, I don't find the main coins in this thread all that boring either but I do not bore as easy as some. I agree the XI Tacitus is a good type but, again, might be called a condition snob because I want a slightly better one. Of course neither of the dealers that had my two knew that XI was special and both were high priced compared to most sellers I patronize. I agree with zumbly's theory that they are worth more but I think his figure of 'twice as much' is way low. 5X, perhaps??? Having recently been on the wrong side of a discussion on the collectability of faulted coins I feel odd expressing the opinion that we do not need to collect $1 versions of coins available for $100 in good shape. I admit a terrible inconsistency here. There are a few of what I consider my less than boring Jupiter and somebody coins. I hope someone will recognize them from previous postings.
Those are beautiful coins Doug! I assure you that I use the term "boring" with the utmost sarcasm. I have yet to meet an ancient coin I found boring.
Sweet => great OP coin, brother Oki (congrats) ... Oh, and amazing aditional additions by the CT gallery (wow, you dudes have some sweet coin-skills, my friends!!) ... awesome show of examples!! ... ummm, amazingly, after skimming-through my herd, I only found "3" measly coin-examples with Jupiter on 'em ... and really "none" that fit this category => oh, but here are all three anyway!! ... yah, they needed a reason to parade around for the afternoon (thanks, Oki) Cheers, Orange!! Jupiter ridin' a goat (Valerian II) Jupiter & Eagle => tossin' thunder!! (Diocletian) Jupiter and Victory, hangin' with good ol' Mr. eagle!! (Licinius I) $44, delivered thanks, Oki ....... I needed to post something!! (it feels good!!)
You are most observant my coin mentor/friend. When I posted I paid no attention thinking it was a Jupiter reverse just from a quick view of my coin images. However, looking at my catalog, it is most certainly not Jupiter and at the risk of hijacking this thread, here is the proper identification: DIOCLETIAN AE Follis OBVERSE: DN DIOCLETIANO BAEATISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right in imperial mantle, holding olive branch & mappa REVERSE: PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, branch downward in right hand, leaning left on vertical sceptre, pellet in right field, TT in ex. Struck at Ticinum, 305 AD 6.8g, 28mm RIC VI 56a P.S. It is in horrid condition and is listed in RIC as common. I should try to take a new picture.