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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 3559415, member: 85693"]The past month or so, eBay has had a lot of cheap, cruddy imperial denarii coming up for auction - just my kind of stuff. So I've been scooping up a lot of them if the price is right and then try to figure them out. Call it a hobby.</p><p><br /></p><p>One of my recent finds was an ugly denarius of Antoninus Pius with Fortuna on the reverse. Just another goddess standing around holding stuff (as Doug puts it). According to OCRE there are 28 Fortuna denarii for AP, so I had to start whittling 'em down. Mine is holding a rudder - but also a patera, which I thought odd (and a handful). The reverse inscription is FORTVNA... with the right side missing - and it is the right side that turned out to be interesting: OBSEQVENS</p><p><br /></p><p>According to FORVM:</p><p>"On another coin of Antoninus Pius, with FORTVNA OBSEQVENS for its epigraph, Fortune places her rudder on the prow of a ship. "This denotes, says Patin, that the goddess had shown herself condescending (<i>obsequentem</i>) in all things to the</p><p>emperor; the rudder and stern of a galley appear to signify the achievement of great victories, and the happy return of the legions.""</p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=FORTVNA%20OPSEQVENS" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=FORTVNA%20OPSEQVENS" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=FORTVNA OPSEQVENS</a></p><p><br /></p><p>According to OCRE there are three of these, RIC 257, 271 and 286A, with the tribunician year being the differentiator (mine is hard to see, but I think it is XXII).</p><p><br /></p><p>Doug Smith has this coin (XXI version) written up on his "Questions" page (his is a much nicer example). It seems this one has some attribution issues/errors, according to Doug's research: <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/quest.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/quest.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/quest.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is mine (it is on a small, crowded but chunky flan and weighs 3.37 grams):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]946285[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Antoninus Pius Denarius</b></p><p><b>(158-159 A.D.)</b></p><p><b>Rome Mint</b></p><p>ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P XXII, laureate head right / FORTVNA [OBSEQVENS] COS IIII, Fortuna standing left, holding patera above rudder on prow right, cornucopiae in left.</p><p>RIC 286A.</p><p>(3.37 grams / 16 x 14 mm)</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is the reverse from an OCRE example, OBSEQVENS visible:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]946286[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Any others out there? They seem to be a bit scarce, but not rare.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 3559415, member: 85693"]The past month or so, eBay has had a lot of cheap, cruddy imperial denarii coming up for auction - just my kind of stuff. So I've been scooping up a lot of them if the price is right and then try to figure them out. Call it a hobby. One of my recent finds was an ugly denarius of Antoninus Pius with Fortuna on the reverse. Just another goddess standing around holding stuff (as Doug puts it). According to OCRE there are 28 Fortuna denarii for AP, so I had to start whittling 'em down. Mine is holding a rudder - but also a patera, which I thought odd (and a handful). The reverse inscription is FORTVNA... with the right side missing - and it is the right side that turned out to be interesting: OBSEQVENS According to FORVM: "On another coin of Antoninus Pius, with FORTVNA OBSEQVENS for its epigraph, Fortune places her rudder on the prow of a ship. "This denotes, says Patin, that the goddess had shown herself condescending ([I]obsequentem[/I]) in all things to the emperor; the rudder and stern of a galley appear to signify the achievement of great victories, and the happy return of the legions."" [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=FORTVNA%20OPSEQVENS']https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=FORTVNA OPSEQVENS[/URL] According to OCRE there are three of these, RIC 257, 271 and 286A, with the tribunician year being the differentiator (mine is hard to see, but I think it is XXII). Doug Smith has this coin (XXI version) written up on his "Questions" page (his is a much nicer example). It seems this one has some attribution issues/errors, according to Doug's research: [url]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/quest.html[/url] Here is mine (it is on a small, crowded but chunky flan and weighs 3.37 grams): [ATTACH=full]946285[/ATTACH] [B]Antoninus Pius Denarius (158-159 A.D.) Rome Mint[/B] ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P XXII, laureate head right / FORTVNA [OBSEQVENS] COS IIII, Fortuna standing left, holding patera above rudder on prow right, cornucopiae in left. RIC 286A. (3.37 grams / 16 x 14 mm) Here is the reverse from an OCRE example, OBSEQVENS visible: [ATTACH=full]946286[/ATTACH] Any others out there? They seem to be a bit scarce, but not rare.[/QUOTE]
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