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<p>[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 404128, member: 5629"]Although I disagree with the grades that I have seen on the vast majority of TPG slabs, I would not say that they are "wrong". This is a point on which I believe I tend to skew from a majority of the numismatic community. The point is: grading is subjective.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are too many factors involved that <b>will</b> make a coin grade differently from time to time, even utilizing the same standard. Especially when you come to the point of a TPG. Take PCGS, for example. If all goes well, your coin will receive a consensus, the best of three, on the grade. So the first time you send the coin in, the graders grade it: 65, 65, 66. So you get your MS65 coin back. You crack it out, and send it back again. The consensus is 65, 66, 66. So it comes back as MS66.</p><p><br /></p><p>How is this wrong? Grading <b>is</b> subjective! You very well may have gotten grader #1, #2, and #3 the first time; but, grader #1, #5, and #3 the second time. Does this mean that a large percent of graders at the TPG are "wrong" all the time? Because their grade was not amongst the higher on the consensus? Or does it mean something else? Like bias?? Yes! Bias <b>is</b> a part of grading. What does everyone think "eye appeal" is?</p><p><br /></p><p>I personally believe that this issue is easier to understand than the issue of how a weakly struck coin can be considered higher mint state (66, 67, etc.) when technically, those grades are reserved for above average strike. Just because the market will accept it is no excuse. But, that also does not mean the grades are wrong, either.</p><p><br /></p><p>Not only that, but, the standard which is utilized is also important. Not everybody uses the same standard. So identifying what standard a person is utilizing is also important in understanding how and why a coin received a certain grade. One person's MS66 under Standard A could be another person's MS64 under Standard B.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Do you blame them? When someone asks "which TPG should I send this to?" you get a consensus to "send it to PCGS, you'll get more money for it when you sell it." And that is a bigger problem than the simple blind faith. PCGS evangelists all have one truth: "PCGS means More Money".</p><p><br /></p><p>Very rarely do you really see somebody advise not to send a coin to a TPG. In fact, even some of those who do not "deal with slabs" will concede that sending the coin to a TPG is a "good idea" because they will authenticate it for them. Then when the question comes up of who to send it to..."PCGS because you'll get more money for it when you sell it."</p><p><br /></p><p>This is the biggest problem of them all, in my opinion. So it is no wonder that people blindly follow PCGS as the scripture of the numismatic world.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do not send my coins to TPGs and I wouldn't unless I actually desire to sell the coin for an "insane profit" for whatever reason, or because a client "demands" it. I see TPGs as simply a waste of money, a carnie yeller's hype, and bordering on the somewhat unethical. What I would like to see is simply a good authentication service that charges a "proper" fee for the service with the option of encasing the "authenticated" coin without a grade into their $.10 piece of plastic and $.15 piece of inert insert and label.</p><p><br /></p><p>But, where there is money to be made...[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 404128, member: 5629"]Although I disagree with the grades that I have seen on the vast majority of TPG slabs, I would not say that they are "wrong". This is a point on which I believe I tend to skew from a majority of the numismatic community. The point is: grading is subjective. There are too many factors involved that [B]will[/B] make a coin grade differently from time to time, even utilizing the same standard. Especially when you come to the point of a TPG. Take PCGS, for example. If all goes well, your coin will receive a consensus, the best of three, on the grade. So the first time you send the coin in, the graders grade it: 65, 65, 66. So you get your MS65 coin back. You crack it out, and send it back again. The consensus is 65, 66, 66. So it comes back as MS66. How is this wrong? Grading [B]is[/B] subjective! You very well may have gotten grader #1, #2, and #3 the first time; but, grader #1, #5, and #3 the second time. Does this mean that a large percent of graders at the TPG are "wrong" all the time? Because their grade was not amongst the higher on the consensus? Or does it mean something else? Like bias?? Yes! Bias [B]is[/B] a part of grading. What does everyone think "eye appeal" is? I personally believe that this issue is easier to understand than the issue of how a weakly struck coin can be considered higher mint state (66, 67, etc.) when technically, those grades are reserved for above average strike. Just because the market will accept it is no excuse. But, that also does not mean the grades are wrong, either. Not only that, but, the standard which is utilized is also important. Not everybody uses the same standard. So identifying what standard a person is utilizing is also important in understanding how and why a coin received a certain grade. One person's MS66 under Standard A could be another person's MS64 under Standard B. Do you blame them? When someone asks "which TPG should I send this to?" you get a consensus to "send it to PCGS, you'll get more money for it when you sell it." And that is a bigger problem than the simple blind faith. PCGS evangelists all have one truth: "PCGS means More Money". Very rarely do you really see somebody advise not to send a coin to a TPG. In fact, even some of those who do not "deal with slabs" will concede that sending the coin to a TPG is a "good idea" because they will authenticate it for them. Then when the question comes up of who to send it to..."PCGS because you'll get more money for it when you sell it." This is the biggest problem of them all, in my opinion. So it is no wonder that people blindly follow PCGS as the scripture of the numismatic world. I do not send my coins to TPGs and I wouldn't unless I actually desire to sell the coin for an "insane profit" for whatever reason, or because a client "demands" it. I see TPGs as simply a waste of money, a carnie yeller's hype, and bordering on the somewhat unethical. What I would like to see is simply a good authentication service that charges a "proper" fee for the service with the option of encasing the "authenticated" coin without a grade into their $.10 piece of plastic and $.15 piece of inert insert and label. But, where there is money to be made...[/QUOTE]
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