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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Ryro, post: 8199325, member: 91461&quot;]To start with, you can&#039;t blame folks for thinking the coin is part of a collection of coins in the name of Livia. It sure looks like it belongs in the set. But now it seems most believe this to be Livilla (Little Liva) as Pietas.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436494[/ATTACH] </p><p>(I always get a kick out of what dorks the Julio-Claudi guys looked like on coins and what babes the ladies were!? Power. Huh)</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436496[/ATTACH] </p><p>Livilla (?)</p><p>Drusus Caesar. AD 19-23. Æ Dupondius (27.40mm, 13.18 g, 6h). Rome mint. Struck under Tiberius, AD 22-23. PIETAS, veiled, diademed, and draped bust of Livilla as Pietas (for years thought to be and listed as Livia) right / DRVSVS CAESAR TI · AVGVSTI F · TR POT ITER, large S · C. RIC I 43 (Tiberius); BMCRE 98 (Tiberius); BN 74. VG, Ex Marc Breitsprecher </p><p>&quot;Claudia Julia Livia, nicknamed Livilla (&quot;Little Livia&quot;), was the daughter of Nero Claudius Drusus and Antonia Minor, and sister to Germanicus and the future emperor Claudius. Though Roman historians describe her as remarkably beautiful and charming, they also condemn her as a power-hungry adulteress and murderess. Tacitus accuses her of conspiring with her lover, the Praetorian Prefect Sejanus, to poison her husband, the imperial heir Drusus Caesar, who died in AD 23. This coin, struck in the name of Drusus shortly before his death, depicts on the obverse a veiled and classically beautiful woman as Pietas, goddess of religious piety and dutifulness. David Vagi has argued convincingly that the head represents Livilla, given that the other bronze coins issued the same year depict Drusus himself and the couple&#039;s twin sons, forming a &quot;family set.&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>... but not the set that I originally signed up for. My three goddesses Livia set. </p><p>Here are the other 2 pretty sure Livia as goddess coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436499[/ATTACH] </p><p><b><u>JULIA AUGUSTA (LIVIA). AUGUSTA,</u></b></p><p>14-29 A.D. AE Dupondius (31 mm, 13.13 gms), Rome Mint.</p><p>RIC-Tiberius 47. Bareheaded</p><p>and draped bust of Julia Augusta (Livia) as Salus Augusta right; Reverse: Large</p><p>S.C, inscription around. Light brown with some granularity. Nearly VERY FINE.</p><p>Former: Savoca</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436497[/ATTACH] </p><p><b><u>Livia</u></b>, wife of Augustus</p><p>(died in 29 AD). AE As, struck under Tiberius, 22-23 AD. D / Diademed and draped bust of Livia (as Justitia) right; IVSTITIA below. R / TI CAESAR DIVI F AVG PM TR POT XXIIII around large SC. RIC (Tib.) 46. AE. g. 13.18 mm. 29.00 R. Rare. Dark green patina. F. Ex Artemide Aste</p><p><br /></p><p>Livilla, Germanicus and Claudius papa:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436498[/ATTACH] </p><p><b><u>NERO CLAUDIUS DRUSUS,</u></b> father of Claudius, died 9 BC. Æ Sestertius (24.6 gm 33mm). Bare head / Claudius seated on curule chair, captured arms and armor at feet. RIC.193. VF, olive brown patina. Dent is under patina, probably ancient (damnatio ?) Purchased from Varian Museum Oct 2021</p><p><br /></p><p>The thing that gets me is what happened to her after she and Sejanus, supposedly, masterminded the murder of Mr slap happy, Drusus:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436527[/ATTACH] </p><p>(One of the many reasons that Sejanus hated Drusus, despite him being the son of his patronus (&quot;patron&quot;) ,Tiberius, was the time that Drusus, straight up pimp, slapped him!<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie79" alt=":rage:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />)!</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436534[/ATTACH] </p><p>(Sejanus was one cold and calculating son of a gun)</p><p><br /></p><p>Killed by a dead woman<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie60" alt=":kiss:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie40" alt=":dead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436559[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Once Apicata, Sejanus wife, found out about the murder of her three children she committed suicide... but before that she<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie93" alt=":troll:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />sent a letter to Tiberius letting him know that it was HER husband and the wife of Drusus that orchestrated the murder of his only son<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie67" alt=":nailbiting:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436562[/ATTACH] </p><p>(And you thought Daze of our life had twists and turns<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie100" alt=":wideyed:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />)</p><p><br /></p><p>Dio says that due to the shame her own mother locked her up and starved Livilla to death. </p><p>If that&#039;s true then why with the no damnatio of her coins. This type is the easiest to come by and generally the cheapest (why I waited until last to buy this one). So, if they really are of one of the most easily to despise line of woman that are easy to despise then why would these coins not only seem to be plenty (such as my humble example) have used in commerce for decades or more weren&#039;t pulled from circulation and or desecrated?<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie77" alt=":pompous:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1436566[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]PNbBDrceCy8[/MEDIA]</p><p><br /></p><p>So please post those Livia, Livilla, relatives of, wild Crack-pot theories, sets you&#039;ve been working on, or anything that makes you smile<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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