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<p>[QUOTE="happy_collector, post: 8052227, member: 100070"]I picked up a Commodus medallion from a recent (October 2021) Kölner Münzkabinett auction. The medallion commemorates the marriage of Commodus and Crispina. Since I am interested in the history of Faustina and her family, it is a nice piece to acquire. Here is the piece.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1394609[/ATTACH]</p><p>However, I wonder whether this medallion was made during Roman time, or if it is a later cast (something like 15th or 19th century).</p><p><br /></p><p>The Kölner Münzkabinett item description is as follows:</p><p><br /></p><p>Commodus mit Crispina, 177-182 n. Chr. <b>AE-Guss-Medaillon</b> Auf die Hochzeit, Vs.: CRISPINA AVGVSTA - IMP .COMMODVS AVG GERM SARM, Büsten der Crispina und des Commodus einander gegenüber, Rs.: VOTA PVBLICA, DivaFaustina (Iuno pronuba) behütet Brautpaar (Sohn und Schwiegertochter) beim Handschlag Gnecchi II 72, 3 Taf. 91, 8 (nur 1Stück, in Madrid, stempelgleich, 47,2g) = Basel, All'antica, 206 erwähnt; Dressel -; Toynbee -. 48.40 g. R schwarzbraunePatina, ss/s-ss</p><p><br /></p><p>Der weitaus häufigere Typ hat AVG statt AVGVSTA: Gnecchi II 72, 2 Taf. 91, 9; Szaifert, MIR 18, 185, 1078 Rs. Taf. 21, 72.Die Prinzenhochzeit fand im Sommer 178 n. Chr. statt. Commodus, geboren am 31. August 161 n. Chr. in Lanuvium, wardamals 17 Jahre alt, das Alter der Bruttia Crispina ist unbekannt. Die Vorderseite des Medaillons wurde in Byzantion zitiert,in der Emission des Ailios Pontikos Heros (Schönert-Geiss, Byzantion II, 62f, 1448-1455 Taf. 76; Varbanov 1719-1726).</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Since I do not know German, I use Google translate. There is no mentioning of "15th or 19th century" in the paragraphs. The only time period mentioned is "177-182 AD". So, I assume it is ancient. However, there is a phrase in the beginning that troubles me. It says: “AE-Guss-Medaillon”, which Google translates to “AE <b>CAST</b> Medallion”.</p><p><br /></p><p>This makes me wonder if the piece is an authentic Roman item, or it is a later cast. Luckily, the piece is inexpensive, so I feel OK whichever way it turns out to be.</p><p><br /></p><p>Many thanks in advance for your comments.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="happy_collector, post: 8052227, member: 100070"]I picked up a Commodus medallion from a recent (October 2021) Kölner Münzkabinett auction. The medallion commemorates the marriage of Commodus and Crispina. Since I am interested in the history of Faustina and her family, it is a nice piece to acquire. Here is the piece. [ATTACH=full]1394609[/ATTACH] However, I wonder whether this medallion was made during Roman time, or if it is a later cast (something like 15th or 19th century). The Kölner Münzkabinett item description is as follows: Commodus mit Crispina, 177-182 n. Chr. [B]AE-Guss-Medaillon[/B] Auf die Hochzeit, Vs.: CRISPINA AVGVSTA - IMP .COMMODVS AVG GERM SARM, Büsten der Crispina und des Commodus einander gegenüber, Rs.: VOTA PVBLICA, DivaFaustina (Iuno pronuba) behütet Brautpaar (Sohn und Schwiegertochter) beim Handschlag Gnecchi II 72, 3 Taf. 91, 8 (nur 1Stück, in Madrid, stempelgleich, 47,2g) = Basel, All'antica, 206 erwähnt; Dressel -; Toynbee -. 48.40 g. R schwarzbraunePatina, ss/s-ss Der weitaus häufigere Typ hat AVG statt AVGVSTA: Gnecchi II 72, 2 Taf. 91, 9; Szaifert, MIR 18, 185, 1078 Rs. Taf. 21, 72.Die Prinzenhochzeit fand im Sommer 178 n. Chr. statt. Commodus, geboren am 31. August 161 n. Chr. in Lanuvium, wardamals 17 Jahre alt, das Alter der Bruttia Crispina ist unbekannt. Die Vorderseite des Medaillons wurde in Byzantion zitiert,in der Emission des Ailios Pontikos Heros (Schönert-Geiss, Byzantion II, 62f, 1448-1455 Taf. 76; Varbanov 1719-1726). Since I do not know German, I use Google translate. There is no mentioning of "15th or 19th century" in the paragraphs. The only time period mentioned is "177-182 AD". So, I assume it is ancient. However, there is a phrase in the beginning that troubles me. It says: “AE-Guss-Medaillon”, which Google translates to “AE [B]CAST[/B] Medallion”. This makes me wonder if the piece is an authentic Roman item, or it is a later cast. Luckily, the piece is inexpensive, so I feel OK whichever way it turns out to be. Many thanks in advance for your comments.[/QUOTE]
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