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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 3850449, member: 85693"]Another addition to my countermark collection, I bought this one without any idea what it was - eBay seller said it was Philip I from Syria. But figuring them out is half the fun - actually it is a Commagene dupondius struck for Tiberius. So why does this coin have an RIC number? Isn't it provincial? </p><p><br /></p><p>I saw an interesting post by David Atherton on coins struck at Rome for the East, but for Vespasian:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/commagene-syria-rome.332960/#post-3360823" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/commagene-syria-rome.332960/#post-3360823">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/commagene-syria-rome.332960/#post-3360823</a> </p><p><br /></p><p>The countermark I only figured out when I blundered upon a CGN auction via acsearch (<a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=377038" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=377038" rel="nofollow">https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=377038</a>). It is Howgego 500 - a sort of mystery as to what is shown. Wildwinds lists it as a "shark" which is pretty funny. Howgego guesses a harpa or a trophy, or, rather mysteriously, "birth of Malakbel from a cypress tree" which sounds like something Jochen would know about. To me it looks like a Patrick Star from <i>SpongeBob Squarepants</i> sitting right on a Wellington boot, but this seems unlikely. </p><p><br /></p><p>And so the ancient countermark journey continues: </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1020478[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>My photos below make the cm look incuse - it is not: </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1020480[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Tiberius</b> <b> Dupondius</b></p><p><b>(19-20 A.D.) </b></p><p><b>Uncertain Commagene Mint </b></p><p>[TI CAESAR DIVI AVGVSTI F AVGVSTVS], laureate head right / [PONT MAXIM] COS</p><p>[III IMP VII TR POT XXI(I)], caduceus between crossed cornucopiae</p><p>RIC 89 (XXI) or 90 (XXII).</p><p>(11.59 grams / 27 mm)</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Countermark: </b> Π Δ T around uncertain object (harpa?) in 8 x 6 mm oval. Howgego 500. "Howgego is unable to fully explain the types and legends of this countermark, suggesting that the legend may be a date in an uncertain era, and the type may be a trophy or the birth of Malakbel from a cypress tree." </p><p>Richard Baker Collection, via CNG Ele. Auct. 439; Lot 267[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 3850449, member: 85693"]Another addition to my countermark collection, I bought this one without any idea what it was - eBay seller said it was Philip I from Syria. But figuring them out is half the fun - actually it is a Commagene dupondius struck for Tiberius. So why does this coin have an RIC number? Isn't it provincial? I saw an interesting post by David Atherton on coins struck at Rome for the East, but for Vespasian: [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/commagene-syria-rome.332960/#post-3360823[/URL] The countermark I only figured out when I blundered upon a CGN auction via acsearch ([URL]https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=377038[/URL]). It is Howgego 500 - a sort of mystery as to what is shown. Wildwinds lists it as a "shark" which is pretty funny. Howgego guesses a harpa or a trophy, or, rather mysteriously, "birth of Malakbel from a cypress tree" which sounds like something Jochen would know about. To me it looks like a Patrick Star from [I]SpongeBob Squarepants[/I] sitting right on a Wellington boot, but this seems unlikely. And so the ancient countermark journey continues: [ATTACH=full]1020478[/ATTACH] My photos below make the cm look incuse - it is not: [ATTACH=full]1020480[/ATTACH] [B]Tiberius[/B] [B] Dupondius (19-20 A.D.) Uncertain Commagene Mint [/B] [TI CAESAR DIVI AVGVSTI F AVGVSTVS], laureate head right / [PONT MAXIM] COS [III IMP VII TR POT XXI(I)], caduceus between crossed cornucopiae RIC 89 (XXI) or 90 (XXII). (11.59 grams / 27 mm) [B]Countermark: [/B] Π Δ T around uncertain object (harpa?) in 8 x 6 mm oval. Howgego 500. "Howgego is unable to fully explain the types and legends of this countermark, suggesting that the legend may be a date in an uncertain era, and the type may be a trophy or the birth of Malakbel from a cypress tree." Richard Baker Collection, via CNG Ele. Auct. 439; Lot 267[/QUOTE]
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