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Message:: [QUOTE="jaceravone, post: 367057, member: 9474"]Well here it is - the wonderful NTC graded this very conservatively at MS65. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />  Although I would agree that it is definitely an UNC, a more appropriate grade of MS62 possibly MS63 should be assigned and I feel confident that if I sent it to NGC as planned that I should get an MS62.  My camera continues to highlight areas that are not see by the naked eye, let alone with a loupe.  As mentioned, the coin has some nice luster - not brilliant or frosty like ML94539's coin, but the coin has some very nice cartwheels. I still cannot see the rub on the chin, even under a 16x loupe.  The marks on the cheek I was aware about, but the camera really draws them out and makes them appear worse than they really are.  Also mentioned were the marks on the reverse of the coin.  Neil is right, with those distracting dings on the sail would prevent this coin from getting a 64 and due to the weak strike on the third sail will keep it from going anywhere over 65. IMO.  Other than that, it is what it is and enjoy it for that.  Thanks for everyones input.  <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie6" alt=":cool:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]