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<p>[QUOTE="physics-fan3.14, post: 7433654, member: 19165"]I've said for many years that the so-called "true" views are really just glamor shots. I'm not sure I would have guessed cleaned - but I was leaning towards questionable color.</p><p><br /></p><p>This coin has problems, and some of these are evident in the trueviews, some are more evident in the candid shot DD posted later.</p><p><br /></p><p>First, the candid shot DD posted clearly shows unnatural surfaces. There were polished or cleaned. If you take an image at just the right angle, with just the right lighting, you can hide a lot of that.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, take a look at the right side of the obverse field on the TV. See that darker area in the fields? These darker areas are how "mirrored" or reflective surfaces read in many images. Now, you could interpret this as a prooflike surface - or it might be a polished surface.</p><p><br /></p><p>But this coin has several other warning signs which are evident in the TV, and they all have to do with the "toning":</p><p><br /></p><p>On the obverse, notice how there is deep, dark toning around the letters around the periphery - but literally no toning in the fields or central devices. The center appears very bright and shiny. This indicates one of two things - it was stored in an extremely sulfur heavy holder which touched the rims, or the centers were polished. But there's another clue - the shade and type of toning. Almost every time I've ever seen those shades of burnt orange leading to that shade of red and that shade of blue, it's been on a cleaned coin which has retoned (and often had help retoning). Memorize that color pattern, because it means nothing good.</p><p><br /></p><p>On the reverse, we have several other problems. Look at the left, around the ship's prow, the "14" and the "S" of world's. Around the devices is a wide white area, but the devices are toned. Look around the globes and to the right below the "92". See how the toning doesn't follow a pattern, but looks more like something spilled on it? And finally, look to the right fields behind the ship. See that mottling, spotty appearance?</p><p><br /></p><p>All three of these are *classic* signs of a bad artificial toning job.</p><p><br /></p><p>All that to say - this coin clearly has problems. Would I have jumped to "cleaned"? Maybe not. Solely from the beauty shots I would have called it questionable color. But PCGS had a wide variety of options for which category to bag this coin.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="physics-fan3.14, post: 7433654, member: 19165"]I've said for many years that the so-called "true" views are really just glamor shots. I'm not sure I would have guessed cleaned - but I was leaning towards questionable color. This coin has problems, and some of these are evident in the trueviews, some are more evident in the candid shot DD posted later. First, the candid shot DD posted clearly shows unnatural surfaces. There were polished or cleaned. If you take an image at just the right angle, with just the right lighting, you can hide a lot of that. However, take a look at the right side of the obverse field on the TV. See that darker area in the fields? These darker areas are how "mirrored" or reflective surfaces read in many images. Now, you could interpret this as a prooflike surface - or it might be a polished surface. But this coin has several other warning signs which are evident in the TV, and they all have to do with the "toning": On the obverse, notice how there is deep, dark toning around the letters around the periphery - but literally no toning in the fields or central devices. The center appears very bright and shiny. This indicates one of two things - it was stored in an extremely sulfur heavy holder which touched the rims, or the centers were polished. But there's another clue - the shade and type of toning. Almost every time I've ever seen those shades of burnt orange leading to that shade of red and that shade of blue, it's been on a cleaned coin which has retoned (and often had help retoning). Memorize that color pattern, because it means nothing good. On the reverse, we have several other problems. Look at the left, around the ship's prow, the "14" and the "S" of world's. Around the devices is a wide white area, but the devices are toned. Look around the globes and to the right below the "92". See how the toning doesn't follow a pattern, but looks more like something spilled on it? And finally, look to the right fields behind the ship. See that mottling, spotty appearance? All three of these are *classic* signs of a bad artificial toning job. All that to say - this coin clearly has problems. Would I have jumped to "cleaned"? Maybe not. Solely from the beauty shots I would have called it questionable color. But PCGS had a wide variety of options for which category to bag this coin.[/QUOTE]
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