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<p>[QUOTE="NotSure, post: 786002, member: 20034"]Yes, JWA IS talking about flipping, and if you can get in and out, and make some money, more power to you. I don't consider that an 'investment', as Sholom points out. Flipping has to be done in the sense that you are 'striking while the iron's hot'. Look at the '08 Rev '07 ASE. Those were fetching VERY good money, upwards of $600-$800 for MS69's (the TV hucksters were asking/getting over $1,000). I bought 10 at $99 (got them very early on), sold them in the $500-$600 range, but they have since settled to $350-$400ish (not including the MS70 First Strike/Early Releases). I made some really, really good money (read 'profit'), considering when I got in and got out (I kept 2, which were effectively free). At the current price levels, I'd still be in good shape if I held and sold now, but I 'got in and got out' and did quite well. This is the exception to the rule....there will always be those exceptions (the Lincoln Coin/Chronicles set is still holding a nice premium...about $130-$150 average for a $50 set, though there was ALLEGEDLY 1 per household, many, including myself, got multiples...I sold one for $250, gave 1 as a gift, held 1, so I made $100 net, still have 1, and gave a $50 gift which is worth about $130-$150 now, that effectively cost me nothing, so there are exceptions). BUT, to hold moderns as an 'investment', I just don't see it (remember, I'm not talking about errors/varieties). Mintages are WAY to high, there is no intrinsic value as pre-'65 10c, 25c, 50c and $1 coins were 90% silver, and designs are lame in general, giving these Statehood/Territories/National Park quarters, Prez dollars nothing to make them a good long term outlook for higher prices. COLLECT for ENJOYMENT, and if you are a smart, knowledgable collector, who has done his/her homework (luck has nothing to do with this), your collection very well may appreciate. But, these new releases, IMHO, are not good long term winners...the Prez dollars are already proving this. Look at the prices realized for NON pop-tops...nothing to speak of, and they haven't shown anything that.</p><p> </p><p>The LUCK part comes into play ONLY if you are a flipper, and you get in, sell at the right time (at the coin's peak interest....like the Presidential GW 'missing edge lettering'...remember the prices of those originally, then where they landed just a short time later?), then get out and count your cash, put it away and collect interest to make that money work for you. OR, put it into a low mintage, or semi-key/key date coins that will always have demand (think '55 DDO Lincoln cent, '22 No D Strong Reverse, '16-D Merc dime, just to name a few), then you are actually learning something, something that will make you a better, more informed collector. </p><p> </p><p>Flipping has to be done FAST, and if you don't get your 'flip' item when others are selling for big money, you may get in the game after the slide has begun. Don't get me wrong, flipping can be VERY profitable, but it's a quick tick of the clock, and your watch better be set correctly.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="NotSure, post: 786002, member: 20034"]Yes, JWA IS talking about flipping, and if you can get in and out, and make some money, more power to you. I don't consider that an 'investment', as Sholom points out. Flipping has to be done in the sense that you are 'striking while the iron's hot'. Look at the '08 Rev '07 ASE. Those were fetching VERY good money, upwards of $600-$800 for MS69's (the TV hucksters were asking/getting over $1,000). I bought 10 at $99 (got them very early on), sold them in the $500-$600 range, but they have since settled to $350-$400ish (not including the MS70 First Strike/Early Releases). I made some really, really good money (read 'profit'), considering when I got in and got out (I kept 2, which were effectively free). At the current price levels, I'd still be in good shape if I held and sold now, but I 'got in and got out' and did quite well. This is the exception to the rule....there will always be those exceptions (the Lincoln Coin/Chronicles set is still holding a nice premium...about $130-$150 average for a $50 set, though there was ALLEGEDLY 1 per household, many, including myself, got multiples...I sold one for $250, gave 1 as a gift, held 1, so I made $100 net, still have 1, and gave a $50 gift which is worth about $130-$150 now, that effectively cost me nothing, so there are exceptions). BUT, to hold moderns as an 'investment', I just don't see it (remember, I'm not talking about errors/varieties). Mintages are WAY to high, there is no intrinsic value as pre-'65 10c, 25c, 50c and $1 coins were 90% silver, and designs are lame in general, giving these Statehood/Territories/National Park quarters, Prez dollars nothing to make them a good long term outlook for higher prices. COLLECT for ENJOYMENT, and if you are a smart, knowledgable collector, who has done his/her homework (luck has nothing to do with this), your collection very well may appreciate. But, these new releases, IMHO, are not good long term winners...the Prez dollars are already proving this. Look at the prices realized for NON pop-tops...nothing to speak of, and they haven't shown anything that. The LUCK part comes into play ONLY if you are a flipper, and you get in, sell at the right time (at the coin's peak interest....like the Presidential GW 'missing edge lettering'...remember the prices of those originally, then where they landed just a short time later?), then get out and count your cash, put it away and collect interest to make that money work for you. OR, put it into a low mintage, or semi-key/key date coins that will always have demand (think '55 DDO Lincoln cent, '22 No D Strong Reverse, '16-D Merc dime, just to name a few), then you are actually learning something, something that will make you a better, more informed collector. Flipping has to be done FAST, and if you don't get your 'flip' item when others are selling for big money, you may get in the game after the slide has begun. Don't get me wrong, flipping can be VERY profitable, but it's a quick tick of the clock, and your watch better be set correctly.[/QUOTE]
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