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<p>[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 2974829, member: 83845"]Okay everyone, I really need to stop reading and commenting on this thread because it is obvious that no good is coming out of it and the thread just wont die. However, I can't help myself after the most recent post so I hope all my coin-friends will excuse me one more reply.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I at least give you credit for trying to step out of the situation and reason through it logically using a parallel. Unfortunately your comparison just doesn't work.</p><p><br /></p><p>Ancient coins were meant as mass produced commodities for export like I clearly explained in my first post. They were meant to leave their home country and the home country had an economic benefit because of that. A better analogy would be if the US government demanded the return of all Silver and Gold Eagle bullion coins from overseas without compensation. Pretty much a breach of why the coins were issued in the first place.</p><p><br /></p><p>Plus coins that you would think might be found only regionally actually traveled extremely far with some regularity. Persian siglos (struck to serve the needs of coastal Anatolia) are often found with Indian punch marks! You cannot make a conclusion on where a coin was found based on what it is. Period.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Take this for what it is worth but I hardly think you have a good enough track record to be lecturing the rest of us on cultural sensitivity. In your previous thread THAT WAS DELETED by the moderators for this kind of nonsense you managed to accuse and insinuate some very ignorant things about people from both China and Bulgaria. We have a pretty broad cross section here at CT with many of our most prominent members NOT falling into your stereotype. As such this comment strikes me as yet another in a string of ignorant and offensive statements.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>WE DO!!! As I already said we all want to know where our coins came from and where they have been. I have spent countless hours trying to research this for all my coins. The problem is it is IMPOSSIBLE to find a provenance on almost all cheap coins past where you bought it and possibly one step further back. Many of the coins I have at one time or another passed through a dealer or collector that has passed away (which is how a lot of coins come to market!). You keep bringing this up like there is something more we can do about it? Photography was too expensive for coins until very recently. If you're suggesting that we can only own coins that we can provide proof came from before a set date before about 2012 then almost no one will be able to own ancient coins anymore.</p><p><br /></p><p>The world you want to live in just doesn't exist and is not even possible (or reasonable)!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The answer is so obvious it is actually painful. If you were going to store a huge sum of money to spend wouldn't you WANT it to be troublesome to recover? That's why our modern banks have one door vaults where the valuables are kept! If you want to keep track of a large sum you put it in one place and make it hard for an individual to steal without notice... big pot, problem solved. In fact I would think a sacrifice would be more likely to be kept in multiple smaller jars because then no one cares about keeping track of it.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I have never given this advice before and I hope never to have to again but if this is truly the way you feel about the hobby and your place in it then I encourage you to stop collecting immediately. You should enjoy the things you do with your free time and they should hold some amount of meaning for you. If this hobby is causing you as much internal struggle as some of your previous threads suggest I say that life is too short to continue with such a distraction. Go find something you can feel good about doing and leave the study of coins to those who want to do right by it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 2974829, member: 83845"]Okay everyone, I really need to stop reading and commenting on this thread because it is obvious that no good is coming out of it and the thread just wont die. However, I can't help myself after the most recent post so I hope all my coin-friends will excuse me one more reply. I at least give you credit for trying to step out of the situation and reason through it logically using a parallel. Unfortunately your comparison just doesn't work. Ancient coins were meant as mass produced commodities for export like I clearly explained in my first post. They were meant to leave their home country and the home country had an economic benefit because of that. A better analogy would be if the US government demanded the return of all Silver and Gold Eagle bullion coins from overseas without compensation. Pretty much a breach of why the coins were issued in the first place. Plus coins that you would think might be found only regionally actually traveled extremely far with some regularity. Persian siglos (struck to serve the needs of coastal Anatolia) are often found with Indian punch marks! You cannot make a conclusion on where a coin was found based on what it is. Period. Take this for what it is worth but I hardly think you have a good enough track record to be lecturing the rest of us on cultural sensitivity. In your previous thread THAT WAS DELETED by the moderators for this kind of nonsense you managed to accuse and insinuate some very ignorant things about people from both China and Bulgaria. We have a pretty broad cross section here at CT with many of our most prominent members NOT falling into your stereotype. As such this comment strikes me as yet another in a string of ignorant and offensive statements. WE DO!!! As I already said we all want to know where our coins came from and where they have been. I have spent countless hours trying to research this for all my coins. The problem is it is IMPOSSIBLE to find a provenance on almost all cheap coins past where you bought it and possibly one step further back. Many of the coins I have at one time or another passed through a dealer or collector that has passed away (which is how a lot of coins come to market!). You keep bringing this up like there is something more we can do about it? Photography was too expensive for coins until very recently. If you're suggesting that we can only own coins that we can provide proof came from before a set date before about 2012 then almost no one will be able to own ancient coins anymore. The world you want to live in just doesn't exist and is not even possible (or reasonable)! The answer is so obvious it is actually painful. If you were going to store a huge sum of money to spend wouldn't you WANT it to be troublesome to recover? That's why our modern banks have one door vaults where the valuables are kept! If you want to keep track of a large sum you put it in one place and make it hard for an individual to steal without notice... big pot, problem solved. In fact I would think a sacrifice would be more likely to be kept in multiple smaller jars because then no one cares about keeping track of it. I have never given this advice before and I hope never to have to again but if this is truly the way you feel about the hobby and your place in it then I encourage you to stop collecting immediately. You should enjoy the things you do with your free time and they should hold some amount of meaning for you. If this hobby is causing you as much internal struggle as some of your previous threads suggest I say that life is too short to continue with such a distraction. Go find something you can feel good about doing and leave the study of coins to those who want to do right by it.[/QUOTE]
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