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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24721121, member: 26430"]What a nice book to have, even without the family connection, but especially for that history. I wonder if this person would've bought the coins in the city -- any big city, not just Paris, could've have a thriving coin market.</p><p><br /></p><p>Especially Rouen, which was long a cultural center with many artists and intellectuals, who were, for the first time, starting to become collectors, in addition to the nobility.</p><p><br /></p><p>In a rural area, it is also possible that "everyone knew" the person who collected ancient coins. So any time they were dug up in a field or encountered in the market, people would bring them to your ancestor. </p><p><br /></p><p>In fact, there are still people in "source countries" who acquire local finds that way. (BCD Collection tags make it clear that local surface finds usually made their way to him, just as virtually every coin found in Egypt would've passed across G. Dattari's desk in the late 19th century.)</p><p><br /></p><p>In general, there is a lot of interesting historical scholarship on collecting ancient coins (and antiquities and other stuff) in the 19th, 18th and earlier centuries. </p><p><br /></p><p>There's a lot more on the 19th century, since that's when there was an explosion in number of published collections & auction catalogs, and at the end of the 19th cent, the start of photography for ancient coins. (Also a great topic in its own right, for which I have a separate bibliography.)</p><p><br /></p><p>A lot of collecting history falls under the research topics of "antiquarianism" and "classical reception." </p><p><br /></p><p>There's much more available, but here are a few that are available online and that I found interesting enough to record in my annotated bibliography for this topic:</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Rambach, Hadrien. (2010)</b>. “<a href="https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=smb-001%3A2010%3A60%3A%3A40&referrer=search" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=smb-001%3A2010%3A60%3A%3A40&referrer=search" rel="nofollow"><b>Collectors at auction, auctions for collectors</b></a>.” <i>Schweizer Münblätter</i> [SMB] 60: pp. 35-43.</font></font></p><blockquote><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4">35: “…short history of auctions…”</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4">beginning with Herodotus, continuing through antiquity, medieval, and modern period.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="4"> 37: “The first printed auction catalogue was published in Leyden for the dispersal of the library of Philips van Marnix van Sint-Aldegonde 1538–1598) on 6 July 1599. The catalogue was prepared by the renowned book-dealer Louis Elzevier c.1540–1617); among the lots were several numismatic books and some ancient coins as well. The first printed auction catalogue devoted to coins was issued in Amsterdam for the sale of the Johan Raphael Grill Collection in 1679.”</font></font></p></blockquote><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Hadrien Rambach</b> has written a lot more about collecting in the 18th to early 20th centuries, especially in Germany (but also Switzerland, France, and elsewhere in Europe and the U.S.).</font></font></p><ul> <li><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><a href="https://hadrienrambach.academia.edu/research" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://hadrienrambach.academia.edu/research" rel="nofollow"><b>https://hadrienrambach.academia.edu/research</b></a></font></font></li> </ul><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>R. Weiss (1968)</b>. “<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/42666552" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/42666552" rel="nofollow">The Study of Ancient Numismatics during the Renaissance</a>,” <i>Numismatic Chronicle</i> 7 (8): 177–87.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b> Dominique Hollard (1991)</b>. “L'illustration numismatique au XIXe siècle.” <i>Revue Numismatique</i> (Année 1991), 6th Series, Vol. 33: pp. 7-42 & pl. I-III (separate). <a href="https://www.persee.fr/doc/numi_0484-8942_1991_num_6_33_1952" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.persee.fr/doc/numi_0484-8942_1991_num_6_33_1952" rel="nofollow">https://www.persee.fr/doc/numi_0484-8942_1991_num_6_33_1952</a></font></font></blockquote><p></p><blockquote><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Woytek et al. (2022)</b><i>. Ars critica numaria: Joseph Eckhel (1737–1798) and the Transformation of Ancient Numismatics</i>. Full book made available as free PDF: <a href="https://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/58190" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/58190" rel="nofollow">https://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/58190</a></font></font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>de Callataÿ (2013)</b>. <i><a href="http://: Numismatic Antiquarianism through Correspondence (16th–18th c.) presents 14 articles collected from the 2017 meeting on numismatic antiquarianism held in Rome. https://www.coinbooks.org/v26/club_nbs_esylum_v26n10.html#article3 Also see: Numismatic Antiquarianism through Correspondence (16th–18th c.) (https://www.brepols.net/products/IS-9780897223911-1)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://: Numismatic Antiquarianism through Correspondence (16th–18th c.) presents 14 articles collected from the 2017 meeting on numismatic antiquarianism held in Rome. https://www.coinbooks.org/v26/club_nbs_esylum_v26n10.html#article3 Also see: Numismatic Antiquarianism through Correspondence (16th–18th c.) (https://www.brepols.net/products/IS-9780897223911-1)" rel="nofollow">Numismatic Antiquarianism through Correspondence (16th–18th c.)</a></i> = 14 articles collected from the 2017 meeting on numismatic antiquarianism held in Rome.</font></font></p><ul> <li><font face="Georgia"><font size="4">See: <a href="https://www.coinbooks.org/v26/club_nbs_esylum_v26n10.html#article3" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinbooks.org/v26/club_nbs_esylum_v26n10.html#article3" rel="nofollow">https://www.coinbooks.org/v26/club_nbs_esylum_v26n10.html#article3</a>)</font></font></li> <li><font face="Georgia"><font size="4">I'm not sure if any individual chapters can be found online (e.g., from the authors' Academia.edu pages), but I will add them if I can find them.</font></font></li> </ul><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><a href="https://www.academia.edu/768804/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/768804/" rel="nofollow"><b>Eurydice Georganteli (2008).</b> “Numismatics” in E. Jeffreys, J. Haldon & R. Cormack (eds.), Oxford Handbook of Byzantium (Oxford University Press)</a>, Oxford, 2008, 157-175. [Academia.edu] </font></font></p><ul> <li><font face="Georgia"><font size="4">Includes summary of numismatic writing from Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas forward, with reference to collecting in antiquity, and “modern” collections, 14th century to present.</font></font></li> </ul><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Miller, Peter (2008)</b>. “Peiresc and the Study of Islamic Coins in the Early Seventeenth Century,” The Princeton University Library Chronicle , Vol. 69, No. 2 (Winter 2008), pp. 315- 369</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Cunnally, John (1994)</b>. "<a href="https://www.academia.edu/5750924/_Ancient_Coins_As_Gifts_and_Tokens_of_Friendship_during_the_Renaissance_Journal_of_the_History_of_Collections_6_1994_pp_129_143" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/5750924/_Ancient_Coins_As_Gifts_and_Tokens_of_Friendship_during_the_Renaissance_Journal_of_the_History_of_Collections_6_1994_pp_129_143" rel="nofollow">Ancient Coins As Gifts and Tokens of Friendship during the Renaissance</a>." <i>Journal of the History of Collections</i>, 6 (1994), pp. 129-143</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Cunnally, John (2001)</b>. "<a href="https://www.academia.edu/36671869/_The_Portable_Pantheon_Ancient_Coins_as_Sources_of_Mythological_Imagery_in_the_Renaissance_in_Wege_zum_Mythos_ed_by_Luba_Freedman_and_Gerlinde_Huber_Rebenich_Berlin_2001_pp_123_140" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/36671869/_The_Portable_Pantheon_Ancient_Coins_as_Sources_of_Mythological_Imagery_in_the_Renaissance_in_Wege_zum_Mythos_ed_by_Luba_Freedman_and_Gerlinde_Huber_Rebenich_Berlin_2001_pp_123_140" rel="nofollow">The Portable Pantheon: Ancient Coins as Sources of Mythological Imagery in the Renaissance</a>"</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Cunnally, John (2008)</b>. “<a href="https://www.academia.edu/14884306/_Of_Mauss_and_Renaissance_Men_Numismatics_Prestation_and_the_Genesis_of_Visual_Literacy_Princeton_University_Library_Chronicle_vol_LXIX_Winter_2008_pp_241_261" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/14884306/_Of_Mauss_and_Renaissance_Men_Numismatics_Prestation_and_the_Genesis_of_Visual_Literacy_Princeton_University_Library_Chronicle_vol_LXIX_Winter_2008_pp_241_261" rel="nofollow">Of Mauss and (Renaissance) Men: Numismatics, Prestation, and the Genesis of Visual Literacy</a>,” <i>Princeton University Library Chronicle</i>, vol. LXIX (Winter, 2008), pp. 241-261.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"> <ul> <li><font size="4">Since the 19th cent. we’ve had a “marmorcentric” (marble) attitude toward antiquity (and antiquities), w/ museum sculpture the archetype of an artifact, but the Renaissance had a much more “nummocentric” attitude: educated people were very familiar with coins then, passed them around at dinner, gave them as gifts, posed with them in paintings, kept them in pockets and bags and scattered in any room: “humanists of an earlier era were more familiar with antiquities that could be held in one’s hand and passed around the table for discussion, a “nummocentric” perspective on the ancient world.”</font></li> </ul><p></font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>A personal favorite (applies to 19th cent. American collectors):</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Friedlaender, Marc (1974)</b>. “Charles Francis Adams, Numismatist, Brought to the Bar: Groux v. Adams.” <i>Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society</i>, Third Series, Vol. 86: pp. 3-27 (25 pages). <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/25080756" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/25080756" rel="nofollow">https://www.jstor.org/stable/25080756</a></font></font></p><ul> <li><font face="Georgia"><font size="4">The Charles Francis Adams (son of the US President) is largely responsible for the "John Quincy Adams Collection" sold by Stack's 1971.</font></font></li> </ul> </p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>There are many more I'd like to include & talk about, since I find this topic fascinating, but that's probably already much too much![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24721121, member: 26430"]What a nice book to have, even without the family connection, but especially for that history. I wonder if this person would've bought the coins in the city -- any big city, not just Paris, could've have a thriving coin market. Especially Rouen, which was long a cultural center with many artists and intellectuals, who were, for the first time, starting to become collectors, in addition to the nobility. In a rural area, it is also possible that "everyone knew" the person who collected ancient coins. So any time they were dug up in a field or encountered in the market, people would bring them to your ancestor. In fact, there are still people in "source countries" who acquire local finds that way. (BCD Collection tags make it clear that local surface finds usually made their way to him, just as virtually every coin found in Egypt would've passed across G. Dattari's desk in the late 19th century.) In general, there is a lot of interesting historical scholarship on collecting ancient coins (and antiquities and other stuff) in the 19th, 18th and earlier centuries. There's a lot more on the 19th century, since that's when there was an explosion in number of published collections & auction catalogs, and at the end of the 19th cent, the start of photography for ancient coins. (Also a great topic in its own right, for which I have a separate bibliography.) A lot of collecting history falls under the research topics of "antiquarianism" and "classical reception." There's much more available, but here are a few that are available online and that I found interesting enough to record in my annotated bibliography for this topic: [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][/SIZE][/FONT] [INDENT][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][B]Rambach, Hadrien. (2010)[/B]. “[URL='https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=smb-001%3A2010%3A60%3A%3A40&referrer=search'][B]Collectors at auction, auctions for collectors[/B][/URL].” [I]Schweizer Münblätter[/I] [SMB] 60: pp. 35-43.[/SIZE][/FONT] [INDENT][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4]35: “…short history of auctions…” beginning with Herodotus, continuing through antiquity, medieval, and modern period. 37: “The first printed auction catalogue was published in Leyden for the dispersal of the library of Philips van Marnix van Sint-Aldegonde 1538–1598) on 6 July 1599. The catalogue was prepared by the renowned book-dealer Louis Elzevier c.1540–1617); among the lots were several numismatic books and some ancient coins as well. The first printed auction catalogue devoted to coins was issued in Amsterdam for the sale of the Johan Raphael Grill Collection in 1679.”[/SIZE][/FONT][/INDENT] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5] [B]Hadrien Rambach[/B] has written a lot more about collecting in the 18th to early 20th centuries, especially in Germany (but also Switzerland, France, and elsewhere in Europe and the U.S.).[/SIZE][/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][URL='https://hadrienrambach.academia.edu/research'][B]https://hadrienrambach.academia.edu/research[/B][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LIST] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5] [B]R. Weiss (1968)[/B]. “[URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/42666552']The Study of Ancient Numismatics during the Renaissance[/URL],” [I]Numismatic Chronicle[/I] 7 (8): 177–87. [B] Dominique Hollard (1991)[/B]. “L'illustration numismatique au XIXe siècle.” [I]Revue Numismatique[/I] (Année 1991), 6th Series, Vol. 33: pp. 7-42 & pl. I-III (separate). [URL]https://www.persee.fr/doc/numi_0484-8942_1991_num_6_33_1952[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][/INDENT] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][/SIZE][/FONT] [INDENT][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][B]Woytek et al. (2022)[/B][I]. Ars critica numaria: Joseph Eckhel (1737–1798) and the Transformation of Ancient Numismatics[/I]. Full book made available as free PDF: [URL]https://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/58190[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][/INDENT] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][/SIZE][/FONT] [INDENT][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][B]de Callataÿ (2013)[/B]. [I][URL='http://: Numismatic Antiquarianism through Correspondence (16th–18th c.) presents 14 articles collected from the 2017 meeting on numismatic antiquarianism held in Rome. https://www.coinbooks.org/v26/club_nbs_esylum_v26n10.html#article3 Also see: Numismatic Antiquarianism through Correspondence (16th–18th c.) (https://www.brepols.net/products/IS-9780897223911-1)']Numismatic Antiquarianism through Correspondence (16th–18th c.)[/URL][/I] = 14 articles collected from the 2017 meeting on numismatic antiquarianism held in Rome.[/SIZE][/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4]See: [URL]https://www.coinbooks.org/v26/club_nbs_esylum_v26n10.html#article3[/URL])[/SIZE][/FONT] [*][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4]I'm not sure if any individual chapters can be found online (e.g., from the authors' Academia.edu pages), but I will add them if I can find them.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/LIST] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][URL='https://www.academia.edu/768804/'][B]Eurydice Georganteli (2008).[/B] “Numismatics” in E. Jeffreys, J. Haldon & R. Cormack (eds.), Oxford Handbook of Byzantium (Oxford University Press)[/URL], Oxford, 2008, 157-175. [Academia.edu] [/SIZE][/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4]Includes summary of numismatic writing from Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas forward, with reference to collecting in antiquity, and “modern” collections, 14th century to present.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/LIST] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][B]Miller, Peter (2008)[/B]. “Peiresc and the Study of Islamic Coins in the Early Seventeenth Century,” The Princeton University Library Chronicle , Vol. 69, No. 2 (Winter 2008), pp. 315- 369 [B]Cunnally, John (1994)[/B]. "[URL='https://www.academia.edu/5750924/_Ancient_Coins_As_Gifts_and_Tokens_of_Friendship_during_the_Renaissance_Journal_of_the_History_of_Collections_6_1994_pp_129_143']Ancient Coins As Gifts and Tokens of Friendship during the Renaissance[/URL]." [I]Journal of the History of Collections[/I], 6 (1994), pp. 129-143 [B]Cunnally, John (2001)[/B]. "[URL='https://www.academia.edu/36671869/_The_Portable_Pantheon_Ancient_Coins_as_Sources_of_Mythological_Imagery_in_the_Renaissance_in_Wege_zum_Mythos_ed_by_Luba_Freedman_and_Gerlinde_Huber_Rebenich_Berlin_2001_pp_123_140']The Portable Pantheon: Ancient Coins as Sources of Mythological Imagery in the Renaissance[/URL]" [B]Cunnally, John (2008)[/B]. “[URL='https://www.academia.edu/14884306/_Of_Mauss_and_Renaissance_Men_Numismatics_Prestation_and_the_Genesis_of_Visual_Literacy_Princeton_University_Library_Chronicle_vol_LXIX_Winter_2008_pp_241_261']Of Mauss and (Renaissance) Men: Numismatics, Prestation, and the Genesis of Visual Literacy[/URL],” [I]Princeton University Library Chronicle[/I], vol. LXIX (Winter, 2008), pp. 241-261.[/SIZE] [LIST] [*][SIZE=4]Since the 19th cent. we’ve had a “marmorcentric” (marble) attitude toward antiquity (and antiquities), w/ museum sculpture the archetype of an artifact, but the Renaissance had a much more “nummocentric” attitude: educated people were very familiar with coins then, passed them around at dinner, gave them as gifts, posed with them in paintings, kept them in pockets and bags and scattered in any room: “humanists of an earlier era were more familiar with antiquities that could be held in one’s hand and passed around the table for discussion, a “nummocentric” perspective on the ancient world.”[/SIZE] [/LIST][/FONT][/INDENT] A personal favorite (applies to 19th cent. American collectors): [INDENT][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][B]Friedlaender, Marc (1974)[/B]. “Charles Francis Adams, Numismatist, Brought to the Bar: Groux v. Adams.” [I]Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society[/I], Third Series, Vol. 86: pp. 3-27 (25 pages). [URL]https://www.jstor.org/stable/25080756[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4]The Charles Francis Adams (son of the US President) is largely responsible for the "John Quincy Adams Collection" sold by Stack's 1971.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/LIST][/INDENT] There are many more I'd like to include & talk about, since I find this topic fascinating, but that's probably already much too much![/QUOTE]
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