CoinTalk's BEST COIN GRADERS (from pics)-round 14 FUN !

1932d - ms68rd
1909 - ms64rd
1910 - ms63
1913s - au55
1914s - vf35
1929s - ms65rd
1933 - ms66rb

 

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67 rd
64 rd
63 rb
55
25
65 rd
65 rd

 

BTB > BadThadBump.......

 

66
65
58
45
35
64
66

 

Nah - I doubt you have lost your grading ability. What I do is grade the coins, look at the grading factors(beer in this case) and maybe add a bump, then the pictures are not always the best - so maybe add a bump again. So I am not sure how his beer affected his grading ability. While I find these very fun - not really sure it is indicative of anyones ability to grade. Most of these coins posted I have to pull out my grading books and read on and then look at a few on heritage. Then start bumping.

 

..Round 14 recap:

Fun round only, not scored.

NCC grades:
1932D - MS66
Beer grades: btw.. I graded based on pics and didn't look at this under a loop or in hand when grading.
1909 - MS64
1910 - MS63
1913S - MS62... mostly a poor strike.. little wear that I can see.
1914S - F15.... I have a hard time giving anything higher to well struck cents with incomplete wheat lines... I almost went VG, but gave it a F because of the well defined cheek and jaw.
1929S - MS64
1933 - MS65

Awards for this set of coins:
Best - RLM's - 1.00..... huh,,, nice grading RLM..again, and as usual imo. PM me with mailing instruction for the 32D if you want it. I will crack it out of the NNC case in order to mail cheap.
HA - Swish- 4.57
Others:
Chip - 2.86
Bqcoins - 2.71
Leadfoot - 1.57
Bigjpst - 2.00
Raider - 1.14
Ariz Jack - 2.00
Lehigh - 2.57
Mark-H - 2.57
Duke - 1.71
Ldhair - 1.14
Jallengomez - 2.57

On to round 15,,,, semi-finals !

 

Link to round 15.

http://www.cointalk.com/t107790/#post888686

 

Man, the results were posted too fast! I didn't even have a chance on this round.

 

The 14-S is a technical VF coin because of the cheek and jaw separation. I'm with Jack, this is definately a VF-25 coin.

 

On the bright side, this one doesn't count against the total.

 

i'm so very glad that one didn't count in the standings!

 

If teh wheat lines were there to begin with and then worn away, the coin should be graded VG or, at best, a stretch to F12. However, because you cannot see wheat lines does not mean the coin will only grade VG. Let me show you how much full wheat lines count in the grade.

 

That got a 65?
The strike is mushy but it's got spots and what looks like worn wheat lines to boot. Plus the nicks on the forehead and shoulder.

 

I suspect that the spots were not there when it was graded. The nicks appear appropriate for the grade or maybe even a 66. However, the wheat lines are not worn. They never were there.

 

Yeah,, I have a few MS coins with almost no wheat lines... one of the most notable date with this attribute is the 22d weak reverse,, which is often seen in MS grades with hardly any wheat lines. In this case however, the 14S had a strong strike and obviously had wheat lines out of the press,, then worn,, although the wear did appear to be worse on the wheats than on the other parts of the cent....

That's one ugly 65 RLM's.... ; ) In my book (and I know this doesn't translate to the big 3), a bad strike counts against the grade. In the case of this cent, I'd go 62 or 63, even though it has very little wear.... the mushy should matter

 

I doubt seriously that 14-S ever had good wheat lines. Even the rims are almost non-existent in that area. That coins was not solidly and/or squarely struck at the mint.

That is the second time I have seen you say MS coins "even though it has very little wear". If the coin has wear, it is not MS. It is AU or worse. Conversely, if the coin has no wear (wheat lines or not), it is MS.

As for the strike affecting the grade, here is the PCGS definition. On paper, at least, I would have thought my 35-S should have been knock for its strike.

BTW, it is not until MS-67 you get a "full" strike.

 

I consider hits or abrasions as wear.. just me, maybe just my mis-use of terminology. The coin you show does have wear imo, and is MS. I guess it boils down to what is wear and what is not... if you exclude abrasions and contact marks,, what's left, "the accumulation of abrasions and contact marks until 'wear' is evident" ? I think a bit of tpg grading variability in play at the highest level here.... is a very interesting converstation piece RLM.

I don't consider this coin to have an average strike,,, I'd consider the strike very sub par..... at that was for a MS64 coin per defintion,, what does pcgs say about MS65 strike requirement ?

 

BTW.. on the 14S,, I think ya'll are right... it does look like a nominal reverse strike on a second look.... and some of the wheat line weakness could be due to strike.... I may have missed that one........
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nah...impossible ; )

 

also... RLM,, i like the 35s,,, is a very interesting converstation piece and outstanding example of a poor strike MS cent.

 

I wish they would give some other definitions (wear, nick, etc.) and we could end this discussion early. Anyway, here are all the MS definitions;
http://www.pcgs.com/lingo.chtml?universeid=313&letter=M