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<p>[QUOTE="mikenoodle, post: 837037, member: 307"]and you think we can from<b><i> pictures</i></b>???</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>My point was that you post, we grade, and everyone judges everyone... except you. If you offer an opinion from in-hand, then we can learn what you think as well, holding us <b>all</b> accountable.</p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>you're right, but you're comparing our guesses to what the TPG said as if they are never wrong. That simply isn't the case. They misgrade coins as well. Now you're taking one opinion and measuring it against another, but you are lending the TPG (in this case PCGS although you have never stated that about these coins) infallibility. You're stating that the TPG grade is absolutely right when it may not be, and in all fairness they have had the coin in hand.</p><p><br /></p><p>I love the discourse. I love the whole exercise. I just want you to understand that the TPGs opinion is, like ours, just that. An opinion. They are paid for their opinion, so you decide how credible they are. But also understand that we are not competing on a level playing field with them as far as grading. </p><p><br /></p><p>I do understand the point here though, and I am not complaining. I think that the TPGs opinion is a good measuring stick, but should be disclosed which service and understood that grading from pictures can vary vastly. It should also be noted that at times, they are also inaccurate. When it comes to MS coins, missing a slight rub can cost you as much as 8 points in grading. This is what I think is the weakness in doing it from pics.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your idea is to strengthen us all at grading from photos and I certainly hope that this series of threads will do exactly that. Keep posting these, but let's make it less of a contest and more of a classroom.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="mikenoodle, post: 837037, member: 307"]and you think we can from[b][i] pictures[/i][/b][i][/i]??? My point was that you post, we grade, and everyone judges everyone... except you. If you offer an opinion from in-hand, then we can learn what you think as well, holding us [b]all[/b] accountable. you're right, but you're comparing our guesses to what the TPG said as if they are never wrong. That simply isn't the case. They misgrade coins as well. Now you're taking one opinion and measuring it against another, but you are lending the TPG (in this case PCGS although you have never stated that about these coins) infallibility. You're stating that the TPG grade is absolutely right when it may not be, and in all fairness they have had the coin in hand. I love the discourse. I love the whole exercise. I just want you to understand that the TPGs opinion is, like ours, just that. An opinion. They are paid for their opinion, so you decide how credible they are. But also understand that we are not competing on a level playing field with them as far as grading. I do understand the point here though, and I am not complaining. I think that the TPGs opinion is a good measuring stick, but should be disclosed which service and understood that grading from pictures can vary vastly. It should also be noted that at times, they are also inaccurate. When it comes to MS coins, missing a slight rub can cost you as much as 8 points in grading. This is what I think is the weakness in doing it from pics. Your idea is to strengthen us all at grading from photos and I certainly hope that this series of threads will do exactly that. Keep posting these, but let's make it less of a contest and more of a classroom.[/QUOTE]
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