Coins with oblique milling on the edge

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  1. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Was labeling some coppers and noticed that this Sweden Carl XIV Johan 1820 1 Skilling has obliquely milled edges. For comparison, here's a much heavier 1802 Skilling issued under Gustav IV Adolph. The 1802 has diagonal rows of dots on the edge. Sweden had a serious economic crisis during the Napoleonic Wars.
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    If we don't already have a thread for it, please feel free to post any diagonally-milled edge coins here.
     
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  3. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member

    People always forget the edge of the coin. I collect mostly world coins and I am amazed when I see a lettered, security, or other edges.
     
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  4. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    In Britain the milling was oblique on currency shillings and sixpences from 1669 until 1787. Larger values had a lettered edge, smaller ones were plain.
    A 1723 first bust SSC shilling with C over SS
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    A 1741 sixpence with roses in angles.
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  5. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member

    Sweet coins!
     
  6. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    The 1799 & 1806 Soho currency halfpennies and farthings had an oblique grain recessed in the middle to make a security edge as seen here.
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    1806 currency farthing
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  7. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    The corresponding Soho proofs had much shallower edge graining as seen below or alternatively a plain edge.
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    e.g. An 1806 gilt proof halfpenny, Peck 1357.
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  8. John Conduitt

    John Conduitt Well-Known Member

    Russian coins very often have obliquely milled edges, either diagonal or 'reticulated' (in a net pattern). Sweden and Russia share quite a bit of coin history, due to various military incursions, like the Swedish Occupation wire kopeks and the 5 kopeks from the Russian-Swedish War of 1788-1790, minted in Avesta.

    Diagonal:
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    Alexander I, 5 kopeks, 1803, Ekaterinburg. 43.5mm, 51g (Bitkin 284).

    Reticulated:
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    Anna Ivanovna, 5 kopeks, 1730, Moscow Kadashevsky. 31.82mm, 19.31g (Bitkin 251 var. Rand 5).
     
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  9. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Reticulated edge on 1780 5 Kopek
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  10. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Found another one in my collection by accident! With coins stapled in 2x2s it's pretty much impossible to see the edge. Only if I look up a coin online or take it out to photograph would I ever notice the edge. Anyway,

    UK, 1745, 6 pence, "Lima" (from silver seized in raids on Spanish South America)
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    Thanks @robp for pointing out the date range to look for on these.
     
  11. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Base metal British coins of the 18th century were typically plain edge, and not struck in a collar until the Soho issues. However, there is always an exception to the rule and that was in 1719 when a handful of obliquely grained halfpennies were made. 3 known of the 1st issue as far as I can establish and maybe two each of the 2nd issue for both obverses. Peck listed his own and the Rogers piece (P.782) for the first issue, but this was a third example unknown to Peck as it was in the US when he wrote his book.

    There is a note at the bottom of the Norweb part 2 catalogue lot 520 (Spink 1985) stating the other known example of this type has the provenance ex Caldecott, ex Dean Rogers, Brand-Lichtenfels Sale (Kreisberg/Schulman, New York 18/3/64 lot 2737) and SNC March 1965 (CC1324). However, the appearance of a rather worn example from Baldwin’s basement sale suggests that piece was the ex Roger’s example, being accompanied by a note stating 'a gift from C W Peck 1951 who noted there were only 2 examples known'. As Peck’s own piece passed to Norweb, this would therefore appear to be a third example, ex Brand-Lichtenfels etc, but not ex-Rogers, nor confirmed ex-Caldecott. It's also ex Terner and Stone collections.
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  12. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Russia, Ruble, Ekaterina II, 1780 (diagonal reeding on edge)
    I have to check the weight on this one when I have it handy.
    I wasn't 100% confident of the authenticity, but it's awfully worn to be a fake.
    Date is mostly worn down, but the final 80 is clear, so it must be 1780.
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