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<p>[QUOTE="Gallienus, post: 2987436, member: 42034"]I'll try to post some types. These include the Argentine "Sunfaces" which I'm very found of. When I went to Argentina 10+ years ago I stopped into a coin shop in "the old coin section of Buenos Aires. The dealer had 3 sunfaces: one was a superb 1815 but also very expensive, being $700. The other two cheaper ones I bought and sold the worst of these (also an 1815) to a friend. The nicer one I still have, cost me $400. Here's a poor photo of it, although I can say that there are no hairlines, damage, or signs of cleaning.</p><p><img src="http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Arg_8R_1813_both.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Another one (1815 8S/R, below) I bought years later from a US auction. This is the R over S variety where they changed the denomination from Soles to Reales. Recently I got the 1837/6 circulated sunface from Stacks 2018 NYICS as I wanted the last year of issue and decided not to wait for an MS specimen of that date.</p><p><img src="http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Arg_8R_1815_SR_both_med_JE.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>In keeping with Chile, while at the NYICS, some years ago, I purchased this common 1817 assayer F.J. Peso [below] from a well known dealer for $750. Again sorry for my poor pix.</p><p><img src="http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Chil_1P_1817_both_low.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I'll skip to Peru where the coins used to be very inexpensive. Aside from the Provisional issues of 1822 & 23 which I don't own, their standard coin is the "Athena Standing". Here's an early example I bought at the same show I got the above Chilean Peso. This one was more expensive than the typical $100 for mint state specimens of the 1830's that one used to see.</p><p><img src="http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Per_8R_1826_both.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>From the Separatist region of South Peru, struck during the War of the Confederation. According to Wiki, this had the Peru-Bolivian confederation on one side and Chile, Peruvian dissidents and Argentina, on the other. This one from a local auction.</p><p><img src="http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Per-S_8R_1838_both_Sedwick.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Finally to hold up the Bolivian side, this is Independent Bolivia's 1st year of issue crown: 1827. It was made while The Liberator was still alive (S. Bolivar dies in 1830) and is from the collection of Alex Siegle. Alex introduced me to collecting these types and was my friend for many years. It may be the finest known specimen of this date.</p><p><img src="http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Bol_8S_1827_both_600px.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>As you can tell I love these 1st types of Latin America. Compared to the Colonial issues they were very cheap, given the rarity. These were symbols of national pride immediately after independence of the countries. I believe they did not to circulate greatly in the countries of origin but were mainly used for export payments which caused many to survive today as the receiving countries, like England, had a numismatic tradition.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, many were also obliterated as Brazil used them as blanks on which to overstrike their 960 reis pieces. I think the Portuguese crown, which moved to Brazil, bought them at 800 reis and struck them at 960, thus financing their huge court in Rio de Janero. During the 1960's I think huge amounts of these available at 80 cents apiece, like lots of 50,000 coins, and were bought up and melted. Today Brazil has a very active numismatic community with regional auctions in the country 4x a year. I'm also a member of their numismatic society.</p><p><br /></p><p>The minor silver of these countries (1/2 reales to 4 reales) have a more interesting story to tell. They did circulate in the countries of origin and were often subject to debasement: with the silver content falling to 10% or less. This episode or currency type was called "moneda feble" or weak currency and lasted from 1830 until the early 1850's.</p><p><br /></p><p>There were also 1/4 reales struck (cuartos?), but I am unsure if these were part of the moneda feble episode or were struck as part of the regular demoninations.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Gallienus, post: 2987436, member: 42034"]I'll try to post some types. These include the Argentine "Sunfaces" which I'm very found of. When I went to Argentina 10+ years ago I stopped into a coin shop in "the old coin section of Buenos Aires. The dealer had 3 sunfaces: one was a superb 1815 but also very expensive, being $700. The other two cheaper ones I bought and sold the worst of these (also an 1815) to a friend. The nicer one I still have, cost me $400. Here's a poor photo of it, although I can say that there are no hairlines, damage, or signs of cleaning. [IMG]http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Arg_8R_1813_both.jpg[/IMG] Another one (1815 8S/R, below) I bought years later from a US auction. This is the R over S variety where they changed the denomination from Soles to Reales. Recently I got the 1837/6 circulated sunface from Stacks 2018 NYICS as I wanted the last year of issue and decided not to wait for an MS specimen of that date. [IMG]http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Arg_8R_1815_SR_both_med_JE.jpg[/IMG] In keeping with Chile, while at the NYICS, some years ago, I purchased this common 1817 assayer F.J. Peso [below] from a well known dealer for $750. Again sorry for my poor pix. [IMG]http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Chil_1P_1817_both_low.jpg[/IMG] I'll skip to Peru where the coins used to be very inexpensive. Aside from the Provisional issues of 1822 & 23 which I don't own, their standard coin is the "Athena Standing". Here's an early example I bought at the same show I got the above Chilean Peso. This one was more expensive than the typical $100 for mint state specimens of the 1830's that one used to see. [IMG]http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Per_8R_1826_both.jpg[/IMG] From the Separatist region of South Peru, struck during the War of the Confederation. According to Wiki, this had the Peru-Bolivian confederation on one side and Chile, Peruvian dissidents and Argentina, on the other. This one from a local auction. [IMG]http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Per-S_8R_1838_both_Sedwick.jpg[/IMG] Finally to hold up the Bolivian side, this is Independent Bolivia's 1st year of issue crown: 1827. It was made while The Liberator was still alive (S. Bolivar dies in 1830) and is from the collection of Alex Siegle. Alex introduced me to collecting these types and was my friend for many years. It may be the finest known specimen of this date. [IMG]http://www.coinsandhistory.com/pix_cointalk/Bol_8S_1827_both_600px.jpg[/IMG] As you can tell I love these 1st types of Latin America. Compared to the Colonial issues they were very cheap, given the rarity. These were symbols of national pride immediately after independence of the countries. I believe they did not to circulate greatly in the countries of origin but were mainly used for export payments which caused many to survive today as the receiving countries, like England, had a numismatic tradition. However, many were also obliterated as Brazil used them as blanks on which to overstrike their 960 reis pieces. I think the Portuguese crown, which moved to Brazil, bought them at 800 reis and struck them at 960, thus financing their huge court in Rio de Janero. During the 1960's I think huge amounts of these available at 80 cents apiece, like lots of 50,000 coins, and were bought up and melted. Today Brazil has a very active numismatic community with regional auctions in the country 4x a year. I'm also a member of their numismatic society. The minor silver of these countries (1/2 reales to 4 reales) have a more interesting story to tell. They did circulate in the countries of origin and were often subject to debasement: with the silver content falling to 10% or less. This episode or currency type was called "moneda feble" or weak currency and lasted from 1830 until the early 1850's. There were also 1/4 reales struck (cuartos?), but I am unsure if these were part of the moneda feble episode or were struck as part of the regular demoninations.[/QUOTE]
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