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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8458724, member: 26430"]Congratulations on the new finds, [USER=86498]@Terence Cheesman[/USER] ! Those are all fantastic (I like that new RIC II includes private collection coins). I haven't yet seen <i>Presbeus</i> but I'm looking forward to it (more below). Please do share what you think of it. Also meaning to check out Glenn's book (I have his diss. in pdf).</p><p><br /></p><p>(Someone checked Glenn 2020 for <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4066881" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4066881" rel="nofollow">my Euthydemos tetradrachm [acq. 2013]</a>. I understand the corpus is about the same as <a href="https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:5af5c51b-b1dc-4eb5-b33b-b27a9958a9f9" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:5af5c51b-b1dc-4eb5-b33b-b27a9958a9f9" rel="nofollow">his 2015 dissertation's [online]</a>. I believe my rev. die was absent, at least from the diss. [Mint B, Group I, Obv O184, Rev --].)</p><p><br /></p><p>The thing I love about published coins is that it's also about collecting (or studying) the history of knowledge about ancient coins and cultures.</p><p><br /></p><p>A couple other things that might not be obvious to those who don't collect them:</p><p><br /></p><p>(1) it's a great way to learn about numismatic literature you might not otherwise encounter; and,</p><p><br /></p><p>(2) <b>it doesn't have to be expensive</b> -- no more so than collecting unpublished ancient coins. Many of my favorites cost $25-100 or less.</p><p><br /></p><p>This Rhegion AR Hemilitron (rarer than the Litra) was in a group at 10GBP per (+20%). From a favorite numismatist, Elvira Clain-Stefanelli's (1914-2001) collection, published in her 1987 article, "<a href="http://www.numisbel.be/1987_2.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.numisbel.be/1987_2.pdf" rel="nofollow">Fractional Silver Coinage of Sicily and Magna Graecia</a>":</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1498912[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1498916[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Returning to <i>Presbeus</i>, the title of Koray Konuk's chapter got my attention, “MY Stands for Mylasa.” (I've read Konuk other stuff on Caria -- and collect Carian coins -- because I enjoy disputed attributions. Konuk's written about many.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I wonder if my coin below is cited, having been referenced a number of times elsewhere (incl. HNO; ex-Erich Karl, P. Vogl, and P. R. Franke). But I want to read it anyway to see about the MY types. (And the other chapters.)</p><p><br /></p><p>As an "MY" (for Mylasa?) type (it has no ethnic, but related coins do), it's among my favorite disputed coins. It's identified as Mylasa in (Konuk's) <a href="http://hno.huma-num.fr/browse?idType=1833" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://hno.huma-num.fr/browse?idType=1833" rel="nofollow">Historia Numorum Caria Online Temp N. 1883, example 1</a> (this coin).</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1498918[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>But this specimen alone has been attributed to 4 - 5 cities in 30 years (elsewhere, the <i>type </i>has been also attributed to Myndos, Myrina, and Nisyros!):</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Myndos</b> in Kölner Münzkabinett <a href="http://koelner-muenzkabinett.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/KMK-A49.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://koelner-muenzkabinett.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/KMK-A49.pdf" rel="nofollow">Auktion 49</a> [30 Oct 1989], Lot 27, where it was acq. by Erich Karl;</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Mygissos</b>, Karl 246 in <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=339105" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=339105" rel="nofollow">Lanz 131, [<i>Munzen von Karien, Sammlung Erich Karl</i>, 27 Nov 2006], 246</a>;</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Mylasa</b> in <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2223860" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2223860" rel="nofollow">Grün 64-1 [<i>Sammlung Prof. Dr. Peter Robert Franke - Griechische Münzen</i>, 20 Nov 2014], 1046</a>;</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Mylasa</b> in Leu WA 16 [22 May 2021], 1055 (Dr. Peter Vogl Collection, acq. after the Helios 5 sale in 2010);</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Mylasa</b> in <a href="http://hno.huma-num.fr/browse?idType=1833" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://hno.huma-num.fr/browse?idType=1833" rel="nofollow">Historia Numorum Caria Online Temp N. 1883, example 1</a> (this coin);</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Mylasa</b> (this coin cited & illustrated, table 41.ε) in Dimakopoulos, Stavros. 2009. <i>Sanctuaries and Cult of Zeus in Caria</i>. [in Greek] Thessaloniki: Aristotle University of Thessaloniki;</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Myous</b> or <b>Mygissos</b> (this coin cited on p. 282, n8) in Lenger, Dinçer Savaş. 2016. “A New Myrinan (Aeolis) Bronze Coin?” <i>AIIN</i>, 62: pp. 281–286[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8458724, member: 26430"]Congratulations on the new finds, [USER=86498]@Terence Cheesman[/USER] ! Those are all fantastic (I like that new RIC II includes private collection coins). I haven't yet seen [I]Presbeus[/I] but I'm looking forward to it (more below). Please do share what you think of it. Also meaning to check out Glenn's book (I have his diss. in pdf). (Someone checked Glenn 2020 for [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4066881']my Euthydemos tetradrachm [acq. 2013][/URL]. I understand the corpus is about the same as [URL='https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:5af5c51b-b1dc-4eb5-b33b-b27a9958a9f9']his 2015 dissertation's [online][/URL]. I believe my rev. die was absent, at least from the diss. [Mint B, Group I, Obv O184, Rev --].) The thing I love about published coins is that it's also about collecting (or studying) the history of knowledge about ancient coins and cultures. A couple other things that might not be obvious to those who don't collect them: (1) it's a great way to learn about numismatic literature you might not otherwise encounter; and, (2) [B]it doesn't have to be expensive[/B] -- no more so than collecting unpublished ancient coins. Many of my favorites cost $25-100 or less. This Rhegion AR Hemilitron (rarer than the Litra) was in a group at 10GBP per (+20%). From a favorite numismatist, Elvira Clain-Stefanelli's (1914-2001) collection, published in her 1987 article, "[URL='http://www.numisbel.be/1987_2.pdf']Fractional Silver Coinage of Sicily and Magna Graecia[/URL]": [ATTACH=full]1498912[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1498916[/ATTACH] Returning to [I]Presbeus[/I], the title of Koray Konuk's chapter got my attention, “MY Stands for Mylasa.” (I've read Konuk other stuff on Caria -- and collect Carian coins -- because I enjoy disputed attributions. Konuk's written about many.) I wonder if my coin below is cited, having been referenced a number of times elsewhere (incl. HNO; ex-Erich Karl, P. Vogl, and P. R. Franke). But I want to read it anyway to see about the MY types. (And the other chapters.) As an "MY" (for Mylasa?) type (it has no ethnic, but related coins do), it's among my favorite disputed coins. It's identified as Mylasa in (Konuk's) [URL='http://hno.huma-num.fr/browse?idType=1833']Historia Numorum Caria Online Temp N. 1883, example 1[/URL] (this coin). [ATTACH=full]1498918[/ATTACH] But this specimen alone has been attributed to 4 - 5 cities in 30 years (elsewhere, the [I]type [/I]has been also attributed to Myndos, Myrina, and Nisyros!): [B]Myndos[/B] in Kölner Münzkabinett [URL='http://koelner-muenzkabinett.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/KMK-A49.pdf']Auktion 49[/URL] [30 Oct 1989], Lot 27, where it was acq. by Erich Karl; [B] Mygissos[/B], Karl 246 in [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=339105']Lanz 131, [[I]Munzen von Karien, Sammlung Erich Karl[/I], 27 Nov 2006], 246[/URL]; [B] Mylasa[/B] in [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2223860']Grün 64-1 [[I]Sammlung Prof. Dr. Peter Robert Franke - Griechische Münzen[/I], 20 Nov 2014], 1046[/URL]; [B] Mylasa[/B] in Leu WA 16 [22 May 2021], 1055 (Dr. Peter Vogl Collection, acq. after the Helios 5 sale in 2010); [B] Mylasa[/B] in [URL='http://hno.huma-num.fr/browse?idType=1833']Historia Numorum Caria Online Temp N. 1883, example 1[/URL] (this coin); [B] Mylasa[/B] (this coin cited & illustrated, table 41.ε) in Dimakopoulos, Stavros. 2009. [I]Sanctuaries and Cult of Zeus in Caria[/I]. [in Greek] Thessaloniki: Aristotle University of Thessaloniki; [B] Myous[/B] or [B]Mygissos[/B] (this coin cited on p. 282, n8) in Lenger, Dinçer Savaş. 2016. “A New Myrinan (Aeolis) Bronze Coin?” [I]AIIN[/I], 62: pp. 281–286[/QUOTE]
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