Coins from "extinct" Sovereign Nations/

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  1. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Stalin and his henchman (Kaganovich) almost succeeded in making the Ukrainian people extinct 1929-34:( Estimates have total killed/ straved to death at between 16-9 M. Later mass deportations/ ethnic cleansing in 1940s resulted in millions of Chechens/ Krim Tartars/ suffering horrible fates by comrade Beria's NKVD.
     
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  3. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Unfortunately Russians suffered just about as much during Stalin's terror. In the west of Ukraine the Germans were welcomed and cheered on when they invaded. Little did they know that the situation suddenly went from very bad to incredibly bad.

    BTW "Iron" Lazar Kaganovich lived a very long life - until 1991 - the last of the "Old Bolsheviks". He and Vyacheslav Molotov both lived long after their political careers were sidelined when Khrushchev came to power. Most others like Beria were either executed or shipped off to rural Siberia in a sort of exile.
     
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  4. panzerman

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    Too bad that the worst mass killer under Stalin never was brought to justice. NKVD General Vasily Blokhin holds the world record for state sponsered murder. He personally shot over 100K political so called "enemies of the state/ including 16K Polish officers at Katyn. 38677519590_8be7a92ec4_b.jpg
     
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  5. panzerman

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    back to topic....Translyvania
    existed as a sovereign nation from 1526 following Battle of Mohacs/ where Sulieman devasted the Hungarian Army. Lajos II and most nobles where killed. After that climatic event/ Transylvania rose from the ashes/ pledging loyalty to the Sultan. The old Hungarian Kingdom was ruled by Ferdinand I brother of the HRE.
    AV Dukat 1606 C-V
    Klausenburg Mint
    Stephan Bocskai 1604-06 71af1f66028646126802f48955d5dac5.jpg
     
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  6. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Francia/ Merovingian Kingdom
    Austrasia/ Auvergne
    AV Triens ND Brivate Mint (*UNIQUE*) 5e57f13e7bfa2bcb1973bc60c730d736 (1).jpg
    Theudebert II 586-602

    Royal Issues are extremely rare/ there are only two AV coins known from this King/ one as King of Austrasia/ another for Burgundy
     
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  7. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Seljuks of Rum lf - 2022-02-13T083002.170.jpg lf - 2022-02-13T083020.383.jpg
     
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    one I acquired last year.
     
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  9. panzerman

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    AV Fanam ND
    Western Gangas
    Orissa Mint
    Anonymous Rulers (900-1200AD) western-gangas-anonymous-ca-11th-13th-6026977-XL.jpg
     
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  10. Ana Silverbell

    Ana Silverbell Well-Known Member

    This is a very interesting post. Thank you panzerman.
     
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  11. Revello

    Revello Well-Known Member

    A more modern, contemporary example. East German 20 Deutsche Mark coin, commemorating the demolition of the Berlin wall portion at the Brandenburg Gate on December 22, 1989. The "wall" separating East and West Berlin had, for all intents and purposes, been symbolically eradicated when the East German Government announced the lifting of travel restrictions between East and West Berlin on November 9, 1989.

    Pretty neat times then ... I was there at that time as an Air Force officer assigned to Tempelhof Central Airport (which was a magnificent, historical structure). I purchased the coin at the open air market in Berlin. Those open air markets were crazy if you were into coin collecting -- there'd be pots of loose change/coins, many very, very old, and you pay 5 Deutsche Marks for as many coins as you could fit into your hand grab. Found an old US 2 cent a nd seated liberty dime in one grab, along with some other old coins dating back to the 1600's in a couple of other grabs. Too bad I wasn't into coin collecting much then.

    DDR 20 DM 1990 (obv) 1.jpg DDR 20 DM 1990 (rev) 1.jpg
     
  12. CoinTalkJim

    CoinTalkJim Active Member

    Here is a 1883half dollar, from the Kingdom of Hawaii.
     

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  13. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Kings of the Bosphorus see map.
    They where a client state allied with Rome/ their coinage has the Bosphoran on obv. the current Roman Emperor on reverse of coin. They are also dated in the BE calender. Here a couple of mine. 675px-Bosporan_Kingdom_growth_map-fr_svg.png 4a05d0f1195e34ccb796b3427292ec06.jpg a627984e34ef2f0fc9e6dcee46697405.jpg
     
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  14. CoinTalkJim

    CoinTalkJim Active Member

    This is where Crimea, Russia, and Ukraine are today. My daughter-in-law is Ukrainian, so I am very familiar with it.
     
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  15. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    SOME MORE COINS OF SEDAN

    BOUILLON ET SEDAN Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne (1591-1623) Ecu de 30 sols 1613 19.96 g

    The princes of Sedan called themselves Dukes of Bouillon even though Godefroi de Bouillon had sold the duchy to the bishops of Liege in 1095 when he went on crusade. They claimed a right of repurchase.

    Obv.: rosette HENRICVS.DE.LA. TOVR. DVX. BVILLIONAEVS Eagle rt. with Sedan arms (boar) on breast, dividing at tail 1613 XXX (value), in circle
    Rev.:SVPREMVS.PRINCEPS.SEDANENSIS Crowned ornamented shield with qtrd. arms of La Tour (tower with lis), Auvergne (gonfalon) , La Tour and Turenne (diagonal bars) with Boulogne centre escutcheon (3 balls), breaking out of circle

    Bouillon & Sedan Henri de la Tour Ecu de 30 Sols 1613 D 3816 LD obv 095.jpg Bouillon & Sedan Henri de la Tour Ecu de 30 Sols 1613 D 3816 LD rev 106.jpg





    BOUILLON ET SEDAN Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne (1591-1623) 1/2 Ecu de 15 sols 1613 9.51 g

    Bouillon & Sedan Henri de la Tour Half ecu 15 sols 1613 obv 383.jpg Bouillon & Sedan Henri de la Tour Half ecu 15 sols 1613 rev 389.jpg



    BOUILLON ET SEDAN Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne (1591-1623) 1/4 Ecu (9.35 g) 1613

    Bouillon & Sedan Henri de la Tour Quarter Ecu 1596 obv 372.jpg Bouillon & Sedan Henri de la Tour Quarter Ecu 1596 rev 373.jpg




    BOUILLON ET SEDAN Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne (1591-1623) Copper Liard 1613

    Bouillon & Sedan Henri de la Tour Liard 1613 obv 086.jpg Bouillon & Sedan Henri de la Tour Liard 1613 rev 090.jpg
     
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    BOUILLON & SEDAN CONTINUED

    In 1642 Frederic-Maurice de la Tour, imprisoned for his role in the Cinq Mars plot, ceded all his Ardennes territories to the French crown.In 1675 Louis XIV took control of Bouillon and gave it in compensation to Godefroid-Maurice de la Tour. Under the Treaty of Nijmegen (1676) Liege lost all its rights to Bouillon. Although still legally an independent principality within the Holy Roman Empire, Bouillon had become in effect a French protectorate.

    BOUILLON Godefroid-Maurice de la Tour d'Auvergne (1676-1721) Copper Liard 1681

    Bouillon Godefroid-Maurice de la Tour Liard 1681 obv 054.jpg Bouillon Godefroid-Maurice de la Tour Liard 1681 rev 057.jpg



    Bouillon nevertheless kept its independence until the French Revolution.
     
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  17. panzerman

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    Beautifull examples/ back then there where skilled artisans working at mint centers, who took pride in their work. Today, most mints produce mediocre/ bland, so called "collector" coins:( Back in the 16/17/18/19 centuries they created coins intended for everyday commerce/ that looked like they where intended for "collector"/ go figureo_O
     
  18. Awesome piece!
     
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  19. panzerman

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    Annam/ Nguyén Dynasty
    Duc Tông 1847-83 7da76c4d59c9b9d30b75a48fecbaf4c8.jpg
    AV Tien ND
     
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