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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;ErolGarip, post: 2837211, member: 88736&quot;]It, the start of history/prehistory, is their definition of scholars, not my own definition. Where it starts , whether with the invention of writing or, as you said, with the oral is a deep topic. It is like a question that which speaks first, &quot;hand or tonque&quot;. Nobody knows. Hand is relevant to writing/action/coin/concrete money/etc more while tonque is relevant to oral/abstract money/etc more (beside taste.) </p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway. There is no objection to those inciseds in those stone &quot;counting tokens&quot; which are, to me, real coins, real money as their counting is made by those incised figures on them, eg, &quot;IIIIII = 6&quot;. Here, the coin itself is not counted, inciseds on the coin are counted. It is just like what we do by counting money today. This way of counting has been shadowed by not showing numerals on the coins for a long time and also confusion had probably start after new notations such &quot;V&quot; in Roman numeral or &quot;5&quot; in Arabic numeral (instead of clearly writing &quot;IIIII&quot;). Because of writing with different symbols such as V or 5, people might have seen these numbers new to them were not countables like it is clearly countable in &quot;IIIII&quot;, therefore, instead of &quot;how many&quot;, &quot;how much money&quot; was used. Anyway, usual answers to &quot;how much money&quot; is 35 cents, 5 dollars, etc which are answers with countable money. So, money in &quot;how much money&quot; is not clear, it is indefinite, while answer to it is clear and definite.</p><p><br /></p><p>1cent coin fits perfectly. It has one incised &quot;I/1&quot; on 1cent coin and also it is one piece of money. So, it does not matter whether you count inciseds /numbers on the 1cent coin or 1cent coin itself, same result, 1/one. Since it is the unit of money it is the most important coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Edited to add this: those 9000 years old coins (which archeology prof calls &quot;counting tokens&quot;) are principally exactly same comparing with our &quot;1cent&quot; coin today (or, equivalents such as 1penny, 1kurus, 1agora, 1yen, 1kopik, etc)... This means when we have, for ex in the US, 1cent coin in our pocket it also means we also have that 9000 years old stone coin with one incised (I) on it in our pocket.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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