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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;ErolGarip, post: 2836181, member: 88736&quot;]Eureka!... </p><p><br /></p><p>First, lets tell a little about the history and the prehistory (limited to the &quot;coin&quot; which can also be &quot;stone&quot;.) </p><p><br /></p><p>History: starts with the invention of writing (around 3000BC.) After writings including numerals were developed further, we now have numbers/numerals in figures, eg, &quot;5&quot; or &quot;Five&quot; on the coins. Lets leave a note here, the oldest know coin which is Lydian lion coin was around 700BC, that&#039;s, long time after invention of writing date 3000BC, but, still, we don&#039;t see any numeral (in figure or in word) as face value on that coin and not only on that, no numerals on most of coins for more 1000 years till 500ADs, either, even though there were &quot;counting relations&quot; between different coins, eg, 1denarius=16Ases, but, these were not clear on those coins as these numbers were not depicted on those coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>Prehistory: all history before that date (3000 BC). However, we can take its start as 60,000BC (start of &quot;stone&quot; age) for our purpose here, for&nbsp; &quot;countability&quot; that makes a coin &quot;money&quot;. Between 60,000BC and 10,000BC, it is early period of stone age. Between 10,000BC and 5,000BC, it is late period of stone age. Then, between 5000BC and 3000BC, it is &quot;mine age&quot; (cupper, bronze and iron age periods.) After 3000BC, &quot;history&quot; starts (with invention of writing.) So, history of &quot;coin&quot; is started, by numismatistcs, in this period, that means, &quot;coin&quot; is considered as a metal item, but, still with no numeral (in figure or in word), showing not clearly that those metal coins were really money or not. Whether they were really money or not is not so clear as they don&#039;t have &quot;face values.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Having summarized these, &quot;history&quot; and prehistory&quot;, related/restricted to the &quot;coin&quot;, NOW, I just saw these: (see attached pictures as two examples. pictures taken from here: <a href="http://www.historian.net/hxwrite.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.historian.net/hxwrite.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.historian.net/hxwrite.htm</a> , webpage of Donald P. Ryan, a prof in archaeology.) On his this page, you can also see pictures of other similar &quot;things.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p>And, on his that page, in a paragraph, he wrote this... &lt;... We see the first evidence for this with incised &quot;counting tokens&quot; about 9,000 years ago in the neolithic ...&gt;</p><p><br /></p><p>COUNTING TOKENS!?... EUREKA!... </p><p>These 9,000 years old &quot;counting tokens&quot; are COINS which are &quot;countables&quot; by their &quot;face values&quot;... These are tokens in stones, not in metals, BUT, they still have &quot;lines/notches/inciseds&quot; which are similar to early Roman numerals (eg, III=3). So, these things which professor called &quot;counting tokens&quot; which clearly show &quot;countability&quot; of Money are real COINS... which means they were early forms of MONEY which was COUNTABLE and must be still Countable... (confirmation required if these lines/notches/inciseds are really numerals/face values or not. Anyway, prof Donald is being informed now about this post/thread with a link in my email to him.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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